M Guptill, isnt he laughing now at T20 cricket :-)

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#1522449 29-Mar-2016 19:30

no i disagree. nzs batting is too light on. we have 2 all rounders, santner and anderson. santner has averaged around 6 with the bat. i cant see why im the crazy one when thats what he was selected to do, score runs and take wickets. hes luckily come into instant form of 3 games and hes a nz legend. just with finger spinners williamson can also produce. so my point is pick a wicket taker or pick a batsman. we already have a quality all rounder. imo we need more strength in our batting line up. admittedly that should have come in the shape of a keeper but we are stuck with ronchi unable to score runs for a long time now.

you think when matt henry was on fire with the ball during the summer and was dropped people didnt get upset, and he did a lot more than santner has in 3 t20s. a lot more. thats cricket. pick the team needed to beat the opposition and imo thats the team that scores a lot of runs and has the ability to take wickets.

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#1522450 29-Mar-2016 19:34

matt henry was taking 5frs by the way when he was dropped not just a few wickets now and then and he was also averaging a shed load more runs with the bat than santner a supposed all rounder. santner has done nothing "special" to retain his spot if the team needs it.

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#1522455 29-Mar-2016 19:56

I'm out. This thread has gone beyond being dumb, it's irrational.

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#1522464 29-Mar-2016 20:33

@TeaLeaf how about less criticising and analysing stuff you have zero control or influence over and just watch and enjoy NZ cricket for what it is, at near its best ever.

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#1522467 29-Mar-2016 20:37

TeaLeaf:

no i disagree. nzs batting is too light on. we have 2 all rounders, santner and anderson. santner has averaged around 6 with the bat. i cant see why im the crazy one when thats what he was selected to do, score runs and take wickets. hes luckily come into instant form of 3 games and hes a nz legend. just with finger spinners williamson can also produce. so my point is pick a wicket taker or pick a batsman. we already have a quality all rounder. imo we need more strength in our batting line up. admittedly that should have come in the shape of a keeper but we are stuck with ronchi unable to score runs for a long time now.

you think when matt henry was on fire with the ball during the summer and was dropped people didnt get upset, and he did a lot more than santner has in 3 t20s. a lot more. thats cricket. pick the team needed to beat the opposition and imo thats the team that scores a lot of runs and has the ability to take wickets.

BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW PLAYING IN INDIA WITH SLOW, SPIN WICKETS.

IF THEYE WERE IN AUSTRALIA I DOUBT BOTH SPINNERS WOULD BE IN THE STARTING 11, OR RESERVE.

In caps, to make it clear for you

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#1522468 29-Mar-2016 20:39

Handle9: I'm out. This thread has gone beyond being dumb, it's irrational.

Yeah. Tea leaf needs to buy a world map. New Delhi and the MCG differ markedly in every respect. Size, pace, spin, humidity. Thats why the team differs markedly. Basic math

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#1522546 30-Mar-2016 04:11

This thread blows my mind, I've never seen someone be so critical of a team and a player doing exceptionally well.

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#1522827 30-Mar-2016 14:47

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/78374921/allegations-backroom-politics-hand-england-advantage-over-new-zealand-in-twenty20-world-cup-semifinal

Not helpful. Behind doors buddies creating an easy ride for ENG. Tantamount to mild match fixing. Anyho,, Mike Atherton an international captain (Who I sortof met) gave our spin bowlers some kudos, so added to this thread.

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#1522892 30-Mar-2016 17:29

nicnzl:

This thread blows my mind, I've never seen someone be so critical of a team and a player doing exceptionally well.

you clearly dont follow many teams online. people prepared to critique a team because they love them so much they dont want to lose due to selection will do so. you think we are doing exceptionally well, we have bowled well on 3 occasions, batted like .... on 3, thats why we are still in the tournament. if we bat like we did against aus or ind against Eng, we are toast no matter if you put S Warne in our team to replace Santa. I have the courage to say what I think before the games not after a 3-4 game FORM. I then say well done and I was wrong when I am. So .....

i dont see your point, nobody is saying oh you have done a totally .... job replace the squad. im saying we dont have enough batting DEPTH. This thread blows my mind the people who cant grasp that concept.

my point about Henry wasnt the type of wicket, its that you need the courage to drop a player who is on a 3 game form, based on whats best for the team. Santner is not a world class spinner, he got wickets against Aus, they are 7th in the world in T20 or it 5th. Williamson bowls better spin than Santner. Santner is not scoring the runs he is in the team to score. He an all rounder. Ish Sodhis saving of runs has scored more than Santner has with the bat.

If we dont drop Santner, we really need him to score big time, which he failed to do pre T20 and is doing now. Enough said. I cant explain Eng will score runs off us enough. Its like no not drop Santner, 120 runs, he will bowl them out with his 2.3 wickets per match then score 6 for us, woot.

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#1522902 30-Mar-2016 18:11

TeaLeaf:

nicnzl:

This thread blows my mind, I've never seen someone be so critical of a team and a player doing exceptionally well.

you clearly dont follow many teams online. people prepared to critique a team because they love them so much they dont want to lose due to selection will do so. you think we are doing exceptionally well, we have bowled well on 3 occasions, batted like .... on 3, thats why we are still in the tournament. if we bat like we did against aus or ind against Eng, we are toast no matter if you put S Warne in our team to replace Santa. I have the courage to say what I think before the games not after a 3-4 game FORM. I then say well done and I was wrong when I am. So .....

i dont see your point, nobody is saying oh you have done a totally .... job replace the squad. im saying we dont have enough batting DEPTH. This thread blows my mind the people who cant grasp that concept.

my point about Henry wasnt the type of wicket, its that you need the courage to drop a player who is on a 3 game form, based on whats best for the team. Santner is not a world class spinner, he got wickets against Aus, they are 7th in the world in T20 or it 5th. Williamson bowls better spin than Santner. Santner is not scoring the runs he is in the team to score. He an all rounder. Ish Sodhis saving of runs has scored more than Santner has with the bat.

If we dont drop Santner, we really need him to score big time, which he failed to do pre T20 and is doing now. Enough said. I cant explain Eng will score runs off us enough. Its like no not drop Santner, 120 runs, he will bowl them out with his 2.3 wickets per match then score 6 for us, woot.

First, a bit of advice. Don't reply to people in a manner that to all intents and purposes is saying, "your an idiot, you don't know as much as me" You just did it again.

Second, you clearly know more than the author of every article I have read, and the commentators, and the coaches.

Santa. His name is Santner

Ish Sodhis saving of runs has scored more than Santner has with the bat. In that case Santner, who has better numbers and one more wicket, has covered himself.

And don't come back (again) saying we are all in love with him. You it seems seem to be the only person who wants him out. I'd read articles and see what they say. Mike Atherton and Vaughan, both successful captains of our opponents tonight wrote today.

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#1522910 30-Mar-2016 18:47

@tealeaf you do realise those doing the selecting and making the big decisions are infinitely more qualified than you are. Actual experience counts for a lot.

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#1522913 30-Mar-2016 18:50

Lol you think Vaughn wants him in for NZs sake?

Ish Sodhi is only in the team to save runs and take wickets. Pass

Santner is in to take wickets and score Runs - Fail

Let me ask you it this way, if you could replace santner with 50/20 and Williamson bowl his overs with maybe 2/24, wouldnt you take the second option?

NZ wont drop Ronchi, they just wont, they are ignorant to his failure. The next player in line is Santner. He took 1 wicket and scored 2 against the worst team in the world. Im struggling to see where this love for Santa has come from.

He was out of favour during the summer due to bowling pies once an over which luckily he has rectified but his batting has gone.

We need 180+, I ask you then who do we drop to get those runs and if you come back with Ish Sodhi Ill know you are trolling me ;-p

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#1522914 30-Mar-2016 18:58

Yes Jase but I just have a hunch some of the selectors are GeekZone members :-)

All Im saying is if we cant score 180+ we will not win this tournament. You guys tell me who is going to score those runs? SA did it and lost to Eng with 200+, Aus lost to Ind.

120 is not going to cut it no matter if Santner was Daniel Vettori. Actually he would score runs.

Clearly Ross Taylor and Williamson need 50+ each at 1.5 runs per ball. A lot rests on Guptil which is unfair, hes been doing his job. Eilliot has been good and thankfully to him, Anderson and Sodhi we didnt lose to Bangladesh. Its the keeper and Santner where those final runs HAVE to come from.

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#1522917 30-Mar-2016 19:04

hard to score 180 on a track that turns and skids and batsmen constantly get out on.

What is your fascination with 180?
How many 180+ results are there here in the IPL? http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-premier-league-2015/engine/series/791129.html
There are some but its not like 50% of the games are over 180. same country very similar conditions.

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#1522920 30-Mar-2016 19:12

TeaLeaf:

Yes Jase but I just have a hunch some of the selectors are GeekZone members :-)

All Im saying is if we cant score 180+ we will not win this tournament. You guys tell me who is going to score those runs? SA did it and lost to Eng with 200+, Aus lost to Ind.

Lol and im quoting this because im going to bring this out and rub it in your face :)

There were 6 games over 180 in the warm-ups, out of 30 innings, so 20%

There were 10 matches over 180 in the group stages (counts qualifying group) out of 62 matches which is 16.2%

So out of the Semi finals and finals you are statistically only likely to see one innings over 180 :) cant argue with stats, though i think you will try

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