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  Reply # 1557244 22-May-2016 13:02
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Was over 100,000 actually... But what do they expect if they charge $50 on PPV and don't offer a streaming option on FanPass for those who aren't permanent sky customers?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/80250556/joseph-parker-fight-illegally-broadcast-to-more-than-100000-viewers.html?cid=facebook.post.80250556

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  Reply # 1557247 22-May-2016 13:09
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PhantomNVD: Was over 100,000 actually... But what do they expect if they charge $50 on PPV and don't offer a streaming option on FanPass for those who aren't permanent sky customers?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/80250556/joseph-parker-fight-illegally-broadcast-to-more-than-100000-viewers.html?cid=facebook.post.80250556

 

I was surprised about that. They want all the dosh, for enough, its a business, but they don't offer it to the circa 900,000 non Sky subscribers, many of whom, me included, would have paid them and Sky? Its like running a dairy, but you only allow every second customer to walk in the shop.

 

Edit: you can't expect to buy Fanpass and get the PPV free, but many would have bought a one day Fanpass and PPV. Be innovative and offer one month Fanpass for the one day price if you buy the PPV as well. Although that would cannibalise many subs. Or offer a one off Boxing Pass for PPV plus $15 that includes the SS1-4, some users would likely get FP later with that intro to it. I have no Issues with Sky, but an opportunity discarded for extra revenue and pickup some FanPass regulars. Don't they want some revenue??


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  Reply # 1557258 22-May-2016 13:23
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Seems pretty clear that Zuckerberg has done a Kim Dotcom.

 

Time for NZ to send a delegation to the US, pressure the US Govt to do something under implied threat we'll ban import of Monterey Jack cheese, send a squadron of helicopters to Zuckerberg's mansion, grab him and extradite him to NZ for trial.




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  Reply # 1557261 22-May-2016 13:29
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Seems pretty clear that Zuckerberg has done a Kim Dotcom.

 

Time for NZ to send a delegation to the US, pressure the US Govt to do something under implied threat we'll ban import of Monterey Jack cheese, send a squadron of helicopters to Zuckerberg's mansion, grab him and extradite him to NZ for trial.

 

 

You know that's not going to happen right? There's a four letter word to thank - MPAA.


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  Reply # 1557271 22-May-2016 13:36
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Do shared live streams on Facebook autoplay? If they do, that explains the 100,000 views. Most of those views would've been less than 20 seconds. So the actual number of people watching the event in its entirety would be a small fraction of the 100,000 claimed.

Correct me if I'm wrong about autoplay. I'm not a Facebook expert : )


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  Reply # 1557274 22-May-2016 13:39
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Do shared live streams on Facebook autoplay? If they do, that explains the 100,000 views. Most of those views would've been less than 20 seconds. So the actual number of people watching the event in its entirety would be a small fraction of the 100,000 claimed.

Correct me if I'm wrong about autoplay. I'm not a Facebook expert : )

 

 

That makes a whole lot of sense. Like last night when I was surfing, then this dang audio was playing that wasn't on view on the screen, annoying as.


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  Reply # 1557278 22-May-2016 13:45
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Fred99:

 

Seems pretty clear that Zuckerberg has done a Kim Dotcom.

 

Time for NZ to send a delegation to the US, pressure the US Govt to do something under implied threat we'll ban import of Monterey Jack cheese, send a squadron of helicopters to Zuckerberg's mansion, grab him and extradite him to NZ for trial.

 

 

You know that's not going to happen right? There's a four letter word to thank - MPAA.

 

 

 

 

No it's not going to happen.  I'm confident that what will happen is Sky TV using this to lobby harder than they already are for more draconian regulations, more surveillance, and larger penalties for infringements.




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  Reply # 1557282 22-May-2016 13:46
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Interesting article on Herald about the facebook streamers ... ! 

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11642897


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  Reply # 1557334 22-May-2016 15:32
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Fortunately this sport has no corruption or match fixing......

 



Sport???

Hmmmmmm

 

 

 

There are different levels of 'boxing'. I guess as it is in the Olympics, that form I guess is considered sport. But I don't consider the big big money stuff on TV as sport, it is almost purely entertainment. It seems to attract some weird people too. I was into it in the Tyson days, as well as Tua  vs Lewis, but gave up on it after that. Parker though looks like a nice guy, and seems to have skills, but not sure if it is the right fit for him. I think Tua was the same.  I think you have to have a lot of 'mongrel' in you to be involved with it. 


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  Reply # 1557346 22-May-2016 15:57
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MikeB4:
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Fortunately this sport has no corruption or match fixing......




Sport???

Hmmmmmm


 


There are different levels of 'boxing'. I guess as it is in the Olympics, that form I guess is considered sport. But I don't consider the big big money stuff on TV as sport, it is almost purely entertainment. It seems to attract some weird people too. I was into it in the Tyson days, as well as Tua  vs Lewis, but gave up on it after that. Parker though looks like a nice guy, and seems to have skills, but not sure if it is the right fit for him. I think Tua was the same.  I think you have to have a lot of 'mongrel' in you to be involved with it. 



Yep, somwhere between Olympic boxing and wrestling. Sport vs acting. In the middle it's match fixed to a greater or lesser degree. It's the same as Tua. Fight bums then lose in a real fight or where the current champ is marketable . Let's say the champ is past his use by date. Everyone in the world loves Parker. He will win which starts another new story of gate takings.

Cynical . When there is a renatch and another rematch. Easy money

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  Reply # 1557377 22-May-2016 16:43
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Lawyers "weigh in" (as if they wouldn't agree)

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11642897

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  Reply # 1557796 23-May-2016 10:49
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If something is streamed illegally via facebook, wouldn't sky be better to go after facebook.

 

Boxing ... boxing is hard just keeping light on your feet for minutes on end is reasonably tiring.  Throwing, blocking and dodging punches is even more tiring.





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  Reply # 1557807 23-May-2016 10:55
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If something is streamed illegally via facebook, wouldn't sky be better to go after facebook.


Boxing ... boxing is hard just keeping light on your feet for minutes on end is reasonably tiring.  Throwing, blocking and dodging punches is even more tiring.



That makes sense. But in life the guys with the least resources get the harshest whip of the law. Suing an American company worth more than the American government ... Hmm ...

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If something is streamed illegally via facebook, wouldn't sky be better to go after facebook.

 

 

 

Boxing ... boxing is hard just keeping light on your feet for minutes on end is reasonably tiring.  Throwing, blocking and dodging punches is even more tiring.

 

 


That makes sense. But in life the guys with the least resources get the harshest whip of the law. Suing an American company worth more than the American government ... Hmm ...

 

Facebook has an NZ registered subsidiary company.

 

I guess it depends if your objective is to recoup your loss (sue facebook) or make an example of Joe Average by bankrupting them.





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  Reply # 1557839 23-May-2016 11:22
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If something is streamed illegally via facebook, wouldn't sky be better to go after facebook.

 

 

Not likely. Take a read of the DMCA or safe harbour. (The DMCA gets a bad rap for a variety of reasons but remember it also limited liability.) If you're talking about a case in NZ, we also have limited liability for ISPs although I don't know how well it's tested whether it covers companies like Facebook.

 

For those comparing to the Dotcom case, however you feel about it, remember the case is claimed to be about racketeering and money laundering, with claimed long term evidence. There have been tests before in the US and elsewhere e.g. Viacom vs Youtube, but these are about claims of substanial infrigement with insufficient attempts to stop it (or even encouraging it).

 

This obviously isn't legal advice but based only on a single event being streamed and since it's fairly unlikely Sky would have clear evidence Facebook were aware (or should have been aware) of the illicit streaming but didn't take action, going of Facebook is likely to be fairly futile in most jurisdictions. And rightly so. (I'm not commenting on whether Sky should be able to go after those actually streaming.) 


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