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  # 1808190 28-Jun-2017 13:10
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MikeAqua:

 

 

 

Seriously though ... I'd love to see it sailed in tougher conditions.  It's starting to look like fair-weather drag racing.  While the speeds are spectacular (for yachts) the racing itself is not that great from a match racing and technical perspective.

 

 

The races, although spectacular, were mostly boring. And I'm a sailor. I have years of fleet racing experience from Optis to Young 88s. But I don't like seeing match racing at this level with an occasional cross with no tacking duels or other head-to-head competition. Also, the races are far too short- over in 20 minutes. I know that's probably because that's all the sailors (and cyclors) can give before they pop their fufu valves and die from exhaustion but c'mon! But where's the epic battle? I want to see blood in the water! It's not a Friday night rum race!

 

I don't mind if we stay in cats or go back to monohulls, but we need to stay on the foils and probably need to keep the cyclors. Nobody will want to see speeds drop from near-50 knots to 15. But we need to attract a much larger competition fleet. Unfortunately, the anticipated changes to the nationality rules will cause problems, as if (say) 51% of the boat needs to be of the nationality of the team country, then there will be a dearth of talent from several of the challengers. Having said that of course, there are only really about three serious contenders to win the Louis Vuitton and get to the AC match anyway.

 

The racing should be easily visible from land as well. Not everyone has (or can charter) a boat to sit alongside the race course. To get the public involved they need to be able to see, hear and smell the races, with big screens dotted around televising the Virtual Spectator data in real time. When I went out to watch the last races in Akl, I had a portable TV on board. That worked well- most of the time the boats were too far away to see properly anyway and the TV kept us up with the nuances of the racing. Unfortunately, I won't have a boat this time around :-(

 

I'm sure all this will come out in the wash over the next few weeks. Dalts has this all planned in expectation of winning anyway, so it's just a matter of him and Bertelli settling a few finer points then telling everyone.

 

Can't wait.





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  # 1808195 28-Jun-2017 13:24
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My Dad is hoping it is held in Auckland, he'll be able to watch it from his chair : )


 

 

 

 

Probably some of the more expensive back row seats I've seen :)
The view from my last house, Excuse potato camera, middle finger and no blue sky but you get the gist. (IDK why but i must not have been happy with the weather gods that day, Cant find any other photos..)

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1808412 28-Jun-2017 18:24
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I'm not understanding the Sky hate, I thought they covered it on Prime (free to air) with an hour delay. Is that not good enough?

 

 

No Sky hate on my part, I'm happy for them to offer a service but I don't like monoploies of any sort and in the case of the AC, the service offered direct from the content creator was in no way inferior to that from Sky.  But vastly cheaper if you're not a Sky customer already.

 

I wasn't aware it was on Prime, but for a major event such as this I want to see it live.

 

 

As always don't blame the content provider, blame the content creator, they supply it. There is no monopoly here. If there was, Sky can get whatever it wants whenever it wants, but its not like that. They, like anyone else, is in the market to buy content. Think EPL, Golf, etc, it went, as someone else bought it instead. Think IVESCO who run V8 Supercars, that was going to go into the ether as well, due to the silly money they wanted. It didn't on that occasion.

 

Sometimes I want Sky to fold, close up shop, then see what happens.  


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  # 1808430 28-Jun-2017 18:53
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Sam91:

 

I'm not understanding the Sky hate, I thought they covered it on Prime (free to air) with an hour delay. Is that not good enough?

 

 

No Sky hate on my part, I'm happy for them to offer a service but I don't like monoploies of any sort and in the case of the AC, the service offered direct from the content creator was in no way inferior to that from Sky.  But vastly cheaper if you're not a Sky customer already.

 

I wasn't aware it was on Prime, but for a major event such as this I want to see it live.

 

 

TVNZ didnt want to pay for the rights - didnt want to rely on advertisers to cover the costs so you could watch it in an ad-funded fashion.  So if it hadnt been on Sky the public would have been left with what?  Listening to it on the radio (which you could do live) or written commentary on news websites?  Oh wait, that happened too,  right?  So cant have been a monopoly event if you could access the live event elsewhere.  

 

Now would TVNZ have jumped in to pay for it at the finals stage?  Maybe.  Now TVNZ wants a piece of it for the next regatta - cos everyone loves a winner.  LVACWS?  Dont think TVNZ was interested in that either - luckily it was on Sky.  So real fans, not johnny-come-lately fans, could enjoy the yachting.   

 

 


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  # 1808433 28-Jun-2017 19:03
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I think this is a fair read

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/94129626/americas-cup-grant-dalton-goes-where-no-man-has-been-before

 

 

 

 

What it didn't say was Dalton needs to quickly put all the gear on trademe to pay his sailors' wages. Not saying it's an excuse, but he has issues.

 

I wonder if the robot will chime in.





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  # 1808434 28-Jun-2017 19:08
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I think this is a fair read

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/94129626/americas-cup-grant-dalton-goes-where-no-man-has-been-before

 

 

 

 

What it didn't say was Dalton needs to quickly put all the gear on trademe to pay his sailors' wages. Not saying it's an excuse, but he has issues.

 

I wonder if the robot will chime in.

 

 

We are a teeny country, and we punch above our weight in some sports. Spithill is loud and brash. He got beat. he provided some class. Dalton has no class. Its been a tough fight by two tough fighters, one accepted a reluctant defeat, the other spat the dummy.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1808435 28-Jun-2017 19:09
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tdgeek:

 

I think this is a fair read

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/94129626/americas-cup-grant-dalton-goes-where-no-man-has-been-before

 

 

 

 

What it didn't say was Dalton needs to quickly put all the gear on trademe to pay his sailors' wages. Not saying it's an excuse, but he has issues.

 

I wonder if the robot will chime in.

 

 

Its no excuse. Its supposed to be sport. Robot?


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  # 1808442 28-Jun-2017 19:22
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tdgeek:

 

I think this is a fair read

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/94129626/americas-cup-grant-dalton-goes-where-no-man-has-been-before

 

 

 

 

And the other point of view:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/94171403/longsuffering-grant-dalton-had-every-right-to-give-jimmy-spithill-and-oracle-a-spray

 

 

I read that too. We won, enjoy it, have humility. Don't be an arse. Spithill could easily have ranted off excuse after excuse. But he acted like a sportsman. Dalton could have agreed that we don't like each other but its been a hell of a fight, but no.


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  # 1808453 28-Jun-2017 19:24
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And if anyone here reads Stuff comments, then I am wrong totally. They are bad. We do have a nasty side, its not just the Aussie cricketers.


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  # 1808455 28-Jun-2017 19:26
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joker97:

 

tdgeek:

 

I think this is a fair read

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/94129626/americas-cup-grant-dalton-goes-where-no-man-has-been-before

 

 

 

 

What it didn't say was Dalton needs to quickly put all the gear on trademe to pay his sailors' wages. Not saying it's an excuse, but he has issues.

 

I wonder if the robot will chime in.

 

 

Its no excuse. Its supposed to be sport. Robot?

 

 

Robot jumps on the word trademe. Or so I thought. Maybe robot is tired.





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  # 1808456 28-Jun-2017 19:27
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tdgeek:

 

I think this is a fair read

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/94129626/americas-cup-grant-dalton-goes-where-no-man-has-been-before

 

 

 

 

And the other point of view:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/94171403/longsuffering-grant-dalton-had-every-right-to-give-jimmy-spithill-and-oracle-a-spray

 

 

I read that too. We won, enjoy it, have humility. Don't be an arse. Spithill could easily have ranted off excuse after excuse. But he acted like a sportsman. Dalton could have agreed that we don't like each other but its been a hell of a fight, but no.

 

 

I don't think he's slept for like a month. But no that's not an excuse. He has issues.





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tdgeek:

 

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tdgeek:

 

I think this is a fair read

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/94129626/americas-cup-grant-dalton-goes-where-no-man-has-been-before

 

 

 

 

And the other point of view:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/94171403/longsuffering-grant-dalton-had-every-right-to-give-jimmy-spithill-and-oracle-a-spray

 

 

I read that too. We won, enjoy it, have humility. Don't be an arse. Spithill could easily have ranted off excuse after excuse. But he acted like a sportsman. Dalton could have agreed that we don't like each other but its been a hell of a fight, but no.

 

 

I don't think he's slept for like a month. But no that's not an excuse. He has issues.

 

 

I accept that, if he has issues. Not sure what they are, but if your in the public eye, sometimes you need to temper it. You represent NZ. What he shows doesnt just show up for 5 seconds on TVNZ. 


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  # 1808480 28-Jun-2017 20:02
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And if anyone here reads Stuff comments, then I am wrong totally. They are bad. We do have a nasty side, its not just the Aussie cricketers.

 

 

The sooner Stuff puts up a paywall the better.  Keep the trolls quiet - they add nothing to the information flow.  You'll notice that sites like Newsroom and The SpinOff - no comments.  You have to do that on their Facebook pages.


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