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  #2684304 30-Mar-2021 20:23
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Wow, ok. He needs to bat for a few years to be selected?  :-) 




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  #2684308 30-Mar-2021 20:29
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Handle9:

 

Someone who has never played test cricket is a better batsman than someone who has over 7000 test runs at over 50.

 

No.

 

 

He may well be, I think he is. Unlike most Kiwi batsmen he is reliable. He's had bugger all experience, yet he is still reliable. The comparison doesnt need him to have as many tests (which he isn't seemingly good enough to be in) to show his wares. With the games he has played he's shown he is a quite a special player.

 

7000/50 makes you a very very good player. Having played zero tests doesnt make you an obvious lesser player. Kane had a 0/0 once.  




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  #2684314 30-Mar-2021 20:39
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tdgeek:

This guy thinks so too


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/03/cricket-blackcaps-devon-conway-compared-to-game-s-greats-as-test-selection-looms.html


 



I think they will give Conway a chance in England though. They have 2 Test Matches vs England then the final vs India. If he can get some runs in those two tests and if anyone is out of form he will be automatic selection in the final.




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  #2684318 30-Mar-2021 20:47
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Dochart:
tdgeek:

 

This guy thinks so too

 

 

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/03/cricket-blackcaps-devon-conway-compared-to-game-s-greats-as-test-selection-looms.html

 

 

 

 

 



I think they will give Conway a chance in England though. They have 2 Test Matches vs England then the final vs India. If he can get some runs in those two tests and if anyone is out of form he will be automatic selection in the final.

 

If he squeaks in as a chance thats NZ cricket selectors for you. There is in my opinion, nothing to suggest he won't excel in tests. He's not a rash player who has highs and lows, but gets a good enough average, he has an X factor. While I get it that he doesnt have a 7000/50 career, what he's shown is that there is every chance he will.To put him on simmer would be a waste.


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  #2684320 30-Mar-2021 20:51
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@tdgeek
Agree, if Conway does appear in the final it will at the expense of Taylor or Nicholls. If either of these batsman struggle in the first two test matches Conway is in. There is no way he will be opening the innings with Latham.




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  #2684327 30-Mar-2021 21:01
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Dochart: @tdgeek
Agree, if Conway does appear in the final it will at the expense of Taylor or Nicholls. If either of these batsman struggle in the first two test matches Conway is in. There is no way he will be opening the innings with Latham.

 

I'll go on record saying that he will play all tests on that tour.


 
 
 

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  #2684331 30-Mar-2021 21:06
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tdgeek:

 

Handle9:

 

Someone who has never played test cricket is a better batsman than someone who has over 7000 test runs at over 50.

 

No.

 

 

He may well be, I think he is. Unlike most Kiwi batsmen he is reliable. He's had bugger all experience, yet he is still reliable. The comparison doesnt need him to have as many tests (which he isn't seemingly good enough to be in) to show his wares. With the games he has played he's shown he is a quite a special player.

 

7000/50 makes you a very very good player. Having played zero tests doesnt make you an obvious lesser player. Kane had a 0/0 once.  

 

 

It pretty clearly does. Conway is still relatively unknown and hasn’t had his weaknesses identified. Once they are identified and he goes through a bad trot then we’ll see how good he is.

 

Williamson has done it at the highest level for ten years. Conway has had success in New Zealand and has ability not proven performance.

 

When he can score hundreds to win games when it’s turning square as well as in Perth when it’s going past his ears we’ll know how good he is. Until then he’s a player with potential.


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  #2684336 30-Mar-2021 21:19
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Handle9:

 

tdgeek:

 

Having played zero tests doesnt make you an obvious lesser player. Kane had a 0/0 once.  

 

 

It pretty clearly does. Conway is still relatively unknown and hasn’t had his weaknesses identified. Once they are identified and he goes through a bad trot then we’ll see how good he is.

 

Williamson has done it at the highest level for ten years. Conway has had success in New Zealand and has ability not proven performance.

 

When he can score hundreds to win games when it’s turning square as well as in Perth when it’s going past his ears we’ll know how good he is. Until then he’s a player with potential.

 

 

How does potential rate? When do you decide that he's ahead of proven players in the current side? Do we wait till he's racked up 20 tests? Or do we assess his potential, and decide thats he's worth it? Take Young and Allen. A lot of potential, but clearly overawed. Conway has been here for what seems like 5 minutes, and the coach has a very high opinion. I guess it comes down to is he another of many very good new players we have had or is he special? If its down to proven performance I'll look forward to seeing him in 2022 if there are injuries. 


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  #2684344 30-Mar-2021 21:59
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What a weird T20 match. While Bangladesh were batting in the second half they didn’t have a DLS target score. So they played 1.3 overs and then the umpires stopped the game until the match referee calculates what DLS Target score they need to get.




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  #2684411 30-Mar-2021 23:58
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Conway has potential. But how can you say he is better than Williamson in tests? Williamson has 2 double hundreds in last 4 games including one on a green seamer and one where NZ were 60 odd for 3.

If WIlliamson got to play 3 years against domestic cricket bowlers and some hit and giggle games and 3 ODIs I am sure he would put up better numbers than Conway.

Like what was said before Conway is yet to face ultra quick or world class spinner yet.

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  #2684442 31-Mar-2021 07:14
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Jas777: Conway has potential. But how can you say he is better than Williamson in tests? Williamson has 2 double hundreds in last 4 games including one on a green seamer and one where NZ were 60 odd for 3.

If WIlliamson got to play 3 years against domestic cricket bowlers and some hit and giggle games and 3 ODIs I am sure he would put up better numbers than Conway.

Like what was said before Conway is yet to face ultra quick or world class spinner yet.

 

I said "IMHO he is NZ's best batsman by a margin. Kane close second."

 

Conway has zero of anything in tests, same as Kane in the past. I have my opinion of him. But we can stick to the traditional team and wait for an injury for him to have a go, thats what we do here. My opinion of him is shared by others well up the cricket food chain as per my link


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  #2685127 1-Apr-2021 06:01
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Lol. If you can find anyone "up the cricket food chain" who thinks he's a better bat than Williamson please share it. You'll be looking for a very long time.

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  #2685131 1-Apr-2021 07:18
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Oh dear. Its MY (thats me...) opinion (OPINION) that he is NZ's best batter. The article I linked just said

 

Cricket: Blackcaps' Devon Conway compared to game's greats, as test selection looms

 

So, like many new Blackcaps he has potential. Some have more than others. I guess we could wait 10 years to see if my opinion tuned out. But right now, I feel he is our best batter, if I am in fact allowed an opinion. If I had said that he has the best batting record, but as you know, I didnt say that

 

But yeah lol if you wish


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  #2685912 2-Apr-2021 23:33
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It's going to be an important IPL for a few players.

 

Jamieson will learn a lot, especially as he has recently started to have his first bits of adversity. Every player goes through this the good ones are the ones who are able to adjust and keep rolling. It's a bit of a shame that he will have a ton of pressure on him because of his salary but at least that means he'll play a lot. 

 

It's also an important tournament for Seifert. The Bangladesh series confirmed Conway is currently a stopper against spin rather than a first choice keeper. He was only gloving 50% of the balls that went through to the keeper. He wasn't bad against pace but he needs a lot of work keeping to spin. He's not good enough as a first choice keeper for a sub-continent world cup where we will play at least 2 spinners in every game. Siefert won't play much in IPL so will have the opportunity to do a lot of technical work with McCullum and face some quality bowlers at training.

 

Ferguson and Milne won't play much either but it's a good opportunity for them to keep building back fitness and get used to the conditions.


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