Handle9: I guess I missed the choking the last 3 years.

Handle9:

UMm we are the world test champions. I guess I missed the choking the last 3 years.

Umm ok, why didn't we win the last game as we are the world test champions?

India were thrown out in the T20 WC  I guess they are useless?

Its sport. 

If you've never seen us choke when batting, well ok.

Dochart:

Handle9: I guess I missed the choking the last 3 years.

So 2019 ODI World Cup Final and 2021 T20 World Cup Final don’t count as choking?

Yep, its a common theme with the Black Caps, but we are a very small nation. We punch above our weight.

Reminds me of the AB's when after Richie, Dan, Corey etc left we beat two island nations, "best team ever" The rest is history.

Dochart:

Handle9: I guess I missed the choking the last 3 years.

So 2019 ODI World Cup Final and 2021 T20 World Cup Final don’t count as choking?

Handle9: This thread: Nz cricket are run by idiots who choke in every game. Change all the players.

The cricket world: NZ are incredibly well run and are the poster child for how to run your international program.

Dochart:

Handle9: This thread: Nz cricket are run by idiots who choke in every game. Change all the players.

The cricket world: NZ are incredibly well run and are the poster child for how to run your international program.

More like choke in every ODI and T20 World Cup final lol.

People only remember the amount of World Cups a team has won and not the amount of games they won. You look at South Africa the amount of times they could have won a World Cup but continue to choke in knock-out stages is what is happening to NZ at the moment.

Handle9: This thread: Nz cricket are run by idiots who choke in every game. Change all the players.

The cricket world: NZ are incredibly well run and are the poster child for how to run your international program.

Lol no

We choke as do other Kiwi teams. 

Punch above our weight? Absolutely.

But often when it really matters, we can fold, Not unlike a golf tour player starting day 4, 5 in front, they often get run down. 

Play to win or play not to lose, there is a huge difference. AUS has a different culture, go hard.

tdgeek:

Handle9: This thread: Nz cricket are run by idiots who choke in every game. Change all the players.

The cricket world: NZ are incredibly well run and are the poster child for how to run your international program.

Lol no

We choke as do other Kiwi teams. 

Punch above our weight? Absolutely.

But often when it really matters, we can fold, Not unlike a golf tour player starting day 4, 5 in front, they often get run down. 

Play to win or play not to lose, there is a huge difference. AUS has a different culture, go hard.

tdgeek:

Handle9: This thread: Nz cricket are run by idiots who choke in every game. Change all the players.

The cricket world: NZ are incredibly well run and are the poster child for how to run your international program.

Lol no

We choke as do other Kiwi teams. 

Punch above our weight? Absolutely.

But often when it really matters, we can fold, Not unlike a golf tour player starting day 4, 5 in front, they often get run down. 

Play to win or play not to lose, there is a huge difference. AUS has a different culture, go hard.

Handle9:

So you want NZ cricket to have a culture that produces worse results, cheating scandals and constant infighting. Seems a good idea.

I don't recall saying that. I do recall saying AUS has a play hard culture.Play to win, play confident. 

Take two sports I enjoy, golf and tennis. There are closers and there are those that struggle to close a match. They are good enough to win, but they rack up many T2's. But under pressure they struggle to close a match. Pressure, play too safe, confidence drops. Others play to win, they rely on the fact that I got here due to my skill, I will play on with that attitude. 

But if you want to extrapolate my AUS comment to focus on some poor cheating incidents , well ok. I guess that means teams/players who can close wins are cheats, by your inference.

Dochart:

This is why I have always admired the Aus team especially a team who has won 3 ODI World Cups in a row. This will never happen again. As you were saying Aus always play to win

While I have some AUS family background, its a pain to me and most Kiwis if we lose to them. They play their game as they played the other games that got them to a final. Winners, closers. That has to be admired and its not easy. If you play a sport and end up in a final, you play the way that got you there. But many fail to do that, sport psychology. 

Aus had 3 decades of teams that NZ has only had levels similar too in the last 5-7 years.

In saying that, no exscuses, NZ has the 2nd most finals in world cricket at 11 with only Aus ahead of them with 12.

Some would say that is absolutely choking. I think NZ 2015 played stupidly, Mcullum just wanted to premeditate aggression, which is where NZ choked. The bowling was world class in that whole series as was the chase vs SA to make the final. 2019 was just total BS from the ICC, NZ didnt lose that WC, fact, after a super over it was still drawn, so it gets given to another team who didnt have the grace or sportsmanship to put the score of drawn NZ on the Cup. T20 WC 2021, I personally feel the selection replacement lost the match as Kane needed somebody other than himself to keep the scoring at 8rpo, some would say the 36 dot balls was the choking, others would say how can you argue with his freakish final score and SR. Personally I do put the blame on his style of play at that point in the match, not ticking the dots to singles etc. Perhaps NZ should have put Phillips in at 3. Kane is an amazing test player, a stabiliser in ODIs but for me he would not be my pick for what we needed. How do you replace him when neither Taylor or the fast scoring Munro (not selected for pure political reasons) were not in the 16 man squad, so all they could do, which they should have, is push Kane down to 4 or even 5, because if you dont score 80-100 in the first 10 on that pitch, batting first, you have lost before you even bowl.

Choke, maybe 2015, and T20 2021 WC. Certainly statiscally they should have converted more than 1/11. But hopefully what happens is this period we are in that will continue for another 6 -8 years, will spur on some young guys coming through to play at this level but to aim higher. Kane should be the benchmark for batsmen and guys like Wagner the minimum heart and skill for the bowlers and maybe Patel and Sodhi to spur on more quality leggies. Whcih really is what Handle is refering to with how you produce a national team.

Regardless of choking maybe a couple of times, its still amazing a nation with a tiny player pool (keep in mind Cricket is the national sport of some of these countries like Aus and Ind's population......). 

Jaz finally got the guy out, he will prob never score such a century again or possibly bat for Ind lol.

NZ nearly batted out of this now, really need some magic from Jamo or Southee. Patel could be NZs first bowler to get the lot.

Edit: Oh dear, Somers justifying the criticism of his selection, bowling nothing but pies now. Again Waggers would have had this finished much like test 1, 100 runs earlier all out, through bowling one length over and over and over to the point the only scoring shot is potentially out and even defending the delivery is dangerous. On this wicket, geeze, it stinks of Wagner. Its known for being a pitch for all bowlers, the point is right now only Ajaz knows what suits him in this surface. Southee had a couple of 3/4's cut back in but were too straight and whipped away leg side, if he had that pitching about 5th stump I can see him clean bowling through the gate, hes certainly had the swing away to set the batsman up for it. Frustrating, need a Wagner out there. If they wanted to be bloody minded stupid with selecting somerville, fine, but drop Jamieson and put Wagner in. Or just do the obvious and replace Somerpies.

TeaLeaf:

 

Jaz finally got the guy out, he will prob never score such a century again or possibly bat for Ind lol.

 

Jaz is super impressive. He is often on the mark, not spraying it and getting lucky. 

8fer didnt go to third umpire 

Oh dear, home umpires not up for that. Yep should have been 8fa. suprised Jaz didnt go harder with that review if he thought Kholi was worth such a big shout. IMO thats a square up.