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#2824471 4-Dec-2021 21:23

TeaLeaf:
That was an easy and obvious decision, landed well out of line.

Doc thats where offering a shot the ball has to land in line. If he offered no shot, he was prob gone as was hitting knee roll. likely hitting leg/middle.

Which ball and over are you talking about? I was away for a bit so didn’t watch?

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#2824472 4-Dec-2021 21:31

Wow, look at the move hes getting with the scrambled seam.

No exscuses, outside Ajaz, NZ were pathetic with the ball. Southee tried, but even he should have been looking for more movement off the deck. But Jamo is the 135-140kph consistant who should have been looking for the seam...

Oh dear.... is this outside the line? otherwise hes gooooone

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#2824473 4-Dec-2021 21:32

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TeaLeaf:

That was an easy and obvious decision, landed well out of line.

Doc thats where offering a shot the ball has to land in line. If he offered no shot, he was prob gone as was hitting knee roll. likely hitting leg/middle.

Which ball and over are you talking about? I was away for a bit so didn’t watch?

Whats the rule when it HAS to be in line to be out, but as per Mitchell it was outside the line but thats also out? (When offering a shot)

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#2824474 4-Dec-2021 21:34

Batting is not up to it, simple as that

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#2824475 4-Dec-2021 21:35

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Whats the rule when it HAS to be in line to be out, but as per Mitchell it was outside the line but thats also out? (When offering a shot)

Its where it hits in that situation not where it lands.

And there is the answer on Mitchell being the answer for combining Williamson and Wagner in one player which was the thinking being his selection. FAIL

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#2824476 4-Dec-2021 21:44

TeaLeaf:

And there is the answer on Mitchell being the answer for combining Williamson and Wagner in one player which was the thinking being his selection. FAIL

So if Mitchell put together a nice 45 its all good?

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#2824477 4-Dec-2021 21:49

TeaLeaf:

Its where it hits in that situation not where it lands.

And there is the answer on Mitchell being the answer for combining Williamson and Wagner in one player which was the thinking being his selection. FAIL

I just watched a replay where it hot the wickets but was "inches" outside the line where it landed

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#2824478 4-Dec-2021 21:50

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So if Mitchell put together a nice 45 its all good?

If he had taken 2 wickets and scored a 50, it would have been a good selection, but I dont know many people who had that much faith in him doing so. Fact is we just dont have a #3 batsman to replace Williamson just yet. Which is why Id have shuffled the team down and put GP at 5 and Wagner in at 11.

Blundell is doing exactly what I said we need to not do vs Axar etc, just head down and block. Sooner or later one is going to get an edge, its a matter of time not if. So put them off the line, look at how terrible Somerville bowled, was because he bowled a TERRIBLE line, his chart shows he was at best 20% where he needed to be with his style of bowling.

So Blundell needs to ignore the wickets down and just go for the runs. He is not going to save the test by blocking, not with this many runs and time behind. Only one way out for NZ and thats fight fire with fire and self belief, as hard an ask as that is in Ind vs their spinners.

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#2824479 4-Dec-2021 21:53

This is better from Nicholls, attack, blast the catchers out of position and the spinners off their line. Is the only option, possibly impossible for NZs ability, but have to at least try, this is where I miss Mcullum's captaincy.

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#2824481 4-Dec-2021 21:56

TeaLeaf:
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I felt that Ajaz was an ok finger spinner crappy finger spinner selection

And sometimes I wonder if Eng is your first language ;-p. you always seem to get what Im saying mixed into some of your only little tale on things, I said finger spinner, clearly referring to the finger spinner slected not the wrist spinner which Ajaz is so think first, clearly Im refering to Somerville.

And Doc, yes if Wagner was out there Id say he would have strangled 3 wickets, Im sure Ajaz would have dominated though. But what Wagner would have done is limited the runs by 100 or so and taken some of the work off Ajaz who was tiring with Wagner capable of 10+ ov spells easy.

Ajaz showing why Ive been saying what is the point of selecting Santner who doesnt offer above or below bat/bowl avg of 30.

May as well select Ajaz or Sodhi, with Ajaz spinning it less than Sodhi you get more accuracy, Sodhi being more of a serious leg turn bowler, surprisingly doesnt bowl the leg turn which he turns nearly sidways.

Anyway hopefully this changes how NZ thinks about spinners and using wrist spinners not dibbly dobblies.

I hope Mitchell shows why he was selected over GP with the bat. Big call to replace KW, but so would have been GP. Id have considered Ross back to 3 and GP to 5 instead of Mitchell. But that wasnt as big a call as giving away 100 runs with a finger spinner who bowled 80% outside the line he should be, that pitch map was shockingly awful from Somerville, I almost feel sorry for him, just not up to test level.

Ajaz Patel a wrist spinner. Lol.

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#2824483 4-Dec-2021 21:58

Lol Ashwin showing Somers where to land it. Gorgeous through the small gate which is the only line for right hand finger. What figures he has, Avg 24. Given Vettori avgd something like 34. Admittedly Vettori didnt get wickets like this at home all the time. But still amazing avg for a finger spinner.

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#2824484 4-Dec-2021 22:00

TeaLeaf:

So Blundell needs to ignore the wickets down and just go for the runs. He is not going to save the test by blocking, not with this many runs and time behind. Only one way out for NZ and thats fight fire with fire and self belief, as hard an ask as that is in Ind vs their spinners.

Not going out would be helpful. or he could "show intent" and thats safe?

Need to hunker down try and stay in, and assess later. Getting runs is risk, and that part of the game is over. Take free runs and defend.

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#2824485 4-Dec-2021 22:06

TeaLeaf:

Lol Ashwin showing Somers where to land it. Gorgeous through the small gate which is the only line for right hand finger. What figures he has, Avg 24. Given Vettori avgd something like 34. Admittedly Vettori didnt get wickets like this at home all the time. But still amazing avg for a finger spinner.

Seems odd to compare a front line spinner with a part timer. Somers seems to be the new Santner

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#2824486 4-Dec-2021 22:06

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or he could "show intent" and thats safe?

Need to hunker down try and stay in, and assess later..

Yep, Intent is MUCH safer than giving the bowler encouragement and just letting the fielding team flood catchers around him, how long will he last doing that? and how many runs will he score? if he faces 60 balls and scores 5 and gets out, whats the point, at least if he scores 30-35 he has done something. but more likely if he scores runs the catchers go and the bowler has to find another line.

There is no assessing 5 down. This is it. Either of these get out its all over, period. NZ have to get to the follow on. It looks a lost cause, but thats not the legacy Mcullum left this team. FIGHT!

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#2824487 4-Dec-2021 22:08

tdgeek:

TeaLeaf:

Lol Ashwin showing Somers where to land it. Gorgeous through the small gate which is the only line for right hand finger. What figures he has, Avg 24. Given Vettori avgd something like 34. Admittedly Vettori didnt get wickets like this at home all the time. But still amazing avg for a finger spinner.

Seems odd to compare a front line spinner with a part timer. Somers seems to be the new Santner

Somerville is very much a FULL time spinner selection, hes only in the team to bowl. So comparing them is to show how badly he bowled, first and now 2nd test. Its simply his line. If you look at the map, hes bowling 3 wickets too far towards leg, which with his spin isnt going to do anything but provide runs.

And there we go, in defense, wicket.

So NZ will be asked to follow on and need to score 500 odd to save the test. EEEK.

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