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#3041837 25-Feb-2023 16:16

We were doing so well up to the Test Championship in 2021 and now we unable to beat teams at home.

The only difference is losing Ross & Watling to retirement and Boult declining NZC but even without these 3 this NZ team should still be good.

Batting has mainly let us down this series. Bowling has been good in the 2nd test with the addition of Henry but Wagner getting smashed for runs by England.

Why have NZ batters been unable to play against the England bowlers such as Anderson and Broad where many of the NZ players have played against before and have done well in the past.. Doesn’t make any sense to me why they can’t play Anderson or Broad right now.

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#3041913 25-Feb-2023 18:56

Dochart:
Batting has mainly let us down this series. Bowling has been good in the 2nd test with the addition of Henry but Wagner getting smashed for runs by England.

Hard to argue with that. Aside from to say the bowling from Henry in the 2nd, was largely unsupported outside Southee.

We had Eng 21/3 and Henry had no support act to come in and tear through a very fragile Root and Brook at that stage.

We missing the 3rd and even 4th bowler capable of exploiting 21/3, NZ really missed Boult and KJ with his ability to shock a batsman. Nobody bowling above Fast Medium is not ideal, especially consistently in the channel like Anderson.

Probably should have had gone with Scott Kuger and Henry rather than relying on part timers.

For me Conway has the most potential alongside Kane for big scores, so he should be being protected from the new ball. Perhaps Nicholls should have gone in at 2, strategically speaking.

The personnel needs juggling and changing, especially while we wait for our tallk quick to recover but also with Nicholls.

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#3041963 25-Feb-2023 19:05

We have lost valued players

We dont have the nerve

Those two issues compound each other

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#3041965 25-Feb-2023 19:19

Lacking the bowling partnerships like we use to have. But thats as good as we got with both KJ and Sears injured and NZC policy not to select Boult.

The batting, they simply look tentative, this is like dry rot on a boat, once it begin it impacts everybody. Clearly we have the talent, we just dont have the nerve nor the nouse.

If we can avoid the follow on, Mccullum will ask for a quick 250, leaving NZ likely the world record 4th inn score to win, which at this point seems zero chance.

Only positive possible to take is we havnt slumped to an embarrassing 56 all out like Eng in the past here.

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#3041968 25-Feb-2023 20:00

TeaLeaf:

Such is the problem of a small player pool like NZ has in comparison to the rest.

NZ doesnt look at the next generation. We stick to the old guard, and awesome as their CV is, the last 2-3 years CV isnt great, but we stick to them. That stifles the young guns coming through. When they do come through they got lucky as they filled in due to injury. Take AUS, their B team back in the day would compete anywhere. The established players had to earn their place, but in NZ, their place is cemented in. Thats the problem. Then when a few retirees leave, we have a problem.

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#3041969 25-Feb-2023 20:02

TeaLeaf:

Only positive possible to take is we havnt slumped to an embarrassing 56 all out like Eng in the past here.

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#3041970 25-Feb-2023 20:03

Nicholls in his past 15 test matches has averaged 20.91 with the bat and has only gotten above 50 twice in all those innings. If is beyond a form slump. Why would you not replace him with a batsman with a better FC avg who is also much more capable of staying positive and can bowl FC Avg 30. Its time, this time, surely.

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#3041972 25-Feb-2023 20:10

TeaLeaf:

Nicholls in his past 15 test matches has averaged 20.91 with the bat and has only gotten above 50 twice in all those innings. If is beyond a form slump. Why would you not replace him with a batsman with a better FC avg who is also much more capable of staying positive and can bowl FC Avg 30. Its time, this time, surely.

We dont do that, its chronic. If an injury someone gets a go. We do not support the next generation, thats a fact.

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#3042162 26-Feb-2023 13:17

Well, I said Southee and co may get us close, but it was nearly all Southee.

The follow on dosnt worry me though, it is Eng who will start to get heavy legs as the day goes on.

To add to that, this pitch browns off day 3 and become a belter until day 5, if NZ can replicate this innins that of Eng 1st innings, then Eng might be asked to break the record day 5.

But if NZ survive with losing only a couple of wickets this afternoon I can see them putting on more like 500+.

Now Conway has a chance to bat big, as do the rest of the EXTREMELY long batting lineup down to #9 in the NZ camp, heck even Southee showed its not day 1 conditions anymore (which I think was the point of him belting around the Eng bowlers).

The ball is still leaping off a length for Anderson at 145kph, which is what NZ has desperately lossed with the KJ innings.

Eng have 3 men in around the bat though and eventually they do go to hand, so NZ has to bat not only them, but the big slips cordone out of their catching positions. You have to force this Eng swashbuckling method to fail, you cannot wait for it to happen. NZ nearly did that at 21-3 but the next 2 put on nearly 350 runs between them. NZ clearly missing depth with KJ injured and NZC ignoring Boult due to policy.

Bond still thinks we have a chance of the win haha :-). I guess if all the above occurs then technically do, but I cant see it as 600 would be needed which will leave only 2 sessions to bowl Eng out.

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#3042270 26-Feb-2023 16:10

Interesting End only have 6 genuine batsmen, 2 of which avg WELL below 40. Without Broad and Anderson, who without Mccullum would remained out, there isnt much in the bowling, 1 more pace, a spinner but with Stokes beind needed, its quite similar to the NZ test team this match in the sense its 1 quality bowler to make the break through after the 2 opening bowlers.

Its about the only weakness in the stats department.

NZ should start beating it to the boundary now the ball is soft and their eye is well in, to get these catchers from close in position, ie short leg, mid off/on and the slips cordone should thin out.

edit: WOW Stokes losing the plot with the umpire and intimitary bowling due to multiple infringes. So he has a warning before the yellow.

Another bouncer to piss the umpire off. Not what you would expect from an Eng captain in what looked an unlosable position. More to be added at end of the day.

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#3042273 26-Feb-2023 16:27

A real shame for Conway, had done all the hard work. But NZ are not taking the spinner on to get rid of those catchers around the bat as I mentioned.

In a singular Innings context 150/1 is bloody good and one you would normally expect NZ to score 500+ wiith. In the context of the game, Latham has to score 150+ and the other top 6 minimum of 50 each, then that long batting may have a chance to sore the runs quick enough for NZ to have any chance, they are unlikey to draw the match so stick to the game plan and just pile on some runs.

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#3042276 26-Feb-2023 16:36

If NZ can get a lead to 350-400 by the end of Day 4 play that should be plenty to get a game out of this but unlikely. I expect England to still win this match.

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#3042281 26-Feb-2023 16:43

Wow, Latham now who had it all under control gets done by the umpires call, something NZ struggled with from the start. I didnt think that was out, saying it is in line is not what the video showed point of impact which was well outside the off stump. Unusual how hawk eye got it so differently, it only just missed on the way through which is closer to hawk eyes point of contact. Is what it is.

Still, if NZ are good enough, which they definitely have the bat lineup for, but its one of these 2 that have to score a large ton. Have to keep the pressure on Eng if they are going to survive. Especially when the quicks lose their legs after 2 days in the field and 3rd tomorrow (not full days)

Ripper from Leach, Will Young let that one hit the deck, needed to use his feet. Either way was a sectacular wicket.

I called the games point of no return yesterday and I think that might be this innings ending. The pitch will just burn off from here and make a great deck to score off. Anything under 300 and Eng should likely score with ease and that is dreaming from here. Shane Bond is saying 150, dreaming. NZ can take the top 3 pr 4 for not many. But in comes Root and BRook. Brook is due a failure. You have Stokes in, from there Eng have a super long tail. So regardless the score, NZ have to be able to take their chances with Brook, Root, Stokes.

It almost looks like NZ have bought into the hype a bit themselves and the 150/0 start from NZ looked like the usual NZ for the first time, but now down 3. Clearly the way Eng plays have made the game progress quickly, NZ needed to go with that a bit, I hope they dont just shoulder arms now.

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#3042295 26-Feb-2023 17:50

KJ and Sears would be a real handful on this pitch, the ball is bouncing chest high off a full length at times. Perhaps NZ should have gone with Tickener to assist Henry while we wait for injuries etc.

Eng look less smug since Latham/Conway looked like they were cruising. But they only a couple wickets away from stopping NZ get a bit 2nd inn league, so still well ahead of the game, perhaps they have been a bit more focussed on completing the job. The new ball will be the final nail in the coffin for nz but its still a batsmans paradise now.

Edit: Kane looks much better this Inn, but Nicholls much the same, teasing the catchers, he needs to belt them out of there. NZ to have any hope HAVE to survive this last 30 mins with the new ball possible for a few overs. Then they have to score another 350 tomorrow, to have a remote chance of a win. Just seems like too much given how they have gone in prior innings, but its a real bastman paradise, so cant stop scoring but will need to respect the umpcoming new ball for 15ish overs.

Eng have left sooo many holes in the defense for NZ to hit to including boundaries, a lofted straight drive is a low risk shot right now. But NZ seem content to just block it now, not a fan of those tactics with the stats going against it (sooner or later one will bobble up to all the catchers). But nice to see them strike it with ease for a single to share the responsibility.

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#3042313 26-Feb-2023 18:36

Look, I love sport and your passion, but...

We need to accept we are in a rebuilding phase, that reduces pressure. Id love to see new players with promise end up in losing sides against the world best, its a learning experience.

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