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#1970205 6-Mar-2018 21:48

Nicholls has been pretty weak too.

Williamson, bad patch with a few good ones this summer.

Colin had an epic summer until this bereavement. Santner has found form people knew he had. So really it leaves Latham and Nicholls for me, thats where the middle order is just failing.

Colin averages 35 odd, Santner 28 odd now, so the back of our tail should be ok.

Yes we need Guptil to go on with one and Munro to follow guptils lead re this is not 20/20

Williamson needs to up his SR a little and

we will have a chance.

But barring something extrodinary like Eng not showing up again for 3rd time in a row, I think if they bat first it might just be a huge score.

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#1970271 7-Mar-2018 00:52

George Worker is another name that comes to mind. He hasnt had the BEST season but hes been up there but with an ODI avg of 37.5 I think hes worth a crack down the line as hes probably one of our best t20 hitters with a non international average of 29 at 120. his international t20s (2) averages 45 at SR 145.

If they pick Chapman they really need to tell the guy not to drink so many red bulls before the game haha. Hes got the talent.

Edit: Nope Chapman has been released, Astle back in, but he wont get picked. Id say its a simple Taylor for Chapman trade. Which means they are banking on Latham and Nicholls making a lot of runs (good luck with that).

We need to follow other countries who now have white ball specialists who dont play red ball. Its almost like outside Wagner and Chapman and maybe Seifert we play the same team across all three versions. And I feel like we get captained the same in all 3. I dont think Kane should be our white ball captain. Brings back cringes of the Stephen Fleming era.

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#1970272 7-Mar-2018 00:55

I might be onto something here.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21954836/george-worker-replaces-injured-doug-bracewell-nz-odi-squad

Fergusson has to bowl, hes been tearing it apart this summer domestically, people are refusing to open to him lol. But he just looks so 1 dimensional at international level. I guess pace in NZ is rear, but he needs more than pace, he needs movement.

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#1970280 7-Mar-2018 06:03

TeaLeaf:

But barring something extrodinary like Eng not showing up again for 3rd time in a row, I think if they bat first it might just be a huge score.

How do you come to that conclusion?

They just lost game 1 after our team failed but three players provided unexpected scores and fluke us home. Game 2 we had the same ratio of failures and didnt complete the 38th over. Game 3 they batted when it was very tough, they all contributed, we batted when it was easier, and again most failed so we lost.

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#1970341 7-Mar-2018 08:22

Light winds, 18-ish, possible rain at 8pm, game ends at 7pm (or sooner :-) ) so should be ok

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#1970357 7-Mar-2018 09:07

tdgeek:

TeaLeaf:

But barring something extrodinary like Eng not showing up again for 3rd time in a row, I think if they bat first it might just be a huge score.

How do you come to that conclusion?

Just going on how they smashed aus on faster wickets. they have had some pretty ordinary ones so far this series. This wicket is more to their taste.

Roy and Bairstow got them off to 10rpo almost every match, in each they just cantered home, except for one where Jos Butler went nuts.

Roys 180 in Aus was no fluke, the guy can bat, if he has any luck Im not fancying the outcome. But Id rather we chased so at least we know what we have to score.

It could get ugly if Guptil and Munro dont come off today and or our bowlers dont find something special.

Great to see the forecast has changed again. I got up at 3am and it had showers at midday lol. Good to see its gone back to yesterday. I just hope that 8pm doesnt drift back to 6 etc. But 0.3mm is scattered showers and could miss the field anyway.

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#1970368 7-Mar-2018 09:33

TeaLeaf:

tdgeek:

TeaLeaf:

But barring something extrodinary like Eng not showing up again for 3rd time in a row, I think if they bat first it might just be a huge score.

How do you come to that conclusion?

Just going on how they smashed aus on faster wickets. they have had some pretty ordinary ones so far this series. This wicket is more to their taste.

Roy and Bairstow got them off to 10rpo almost every match, in each they just cantered home, except for one where Jos Butler went nuts.

Roys 180 in Aus was no fluke, the guy can bat, if he has any luck Im not fancying the outcome. But Id rather we chased so at least we know what we have to score.

It could get ugly if Guptil and Munro dont come off today and or our bowlers dont find something special.

Great to see the forecast has changed again. I got up at 3am and it had showers at midday lol. Good to see its gone back to yesterday. I just hope that 8pm doesnt drift back to 6 etc. But 0.3mm is scattered showers and could miss the field anyway.

A) That was in Aus, not in NZ. Different tracks, bigger tracks

B) Oz weren't great for a long while, they were well on theIr way back, I hear they won Test 1 in SA

C) Pakis came here looked ordinary, till they got used to our tracks.

With the above in mind, ENG have cantered in all three matches, and were stiff not to have 3 easy wins

Here they haven't got off to 10RR, its hasnt been that easy, so they held wickets. NZ was the same, but we can't hold onto our wickets

When was the last time Guppy AND Munro got off to a start? It seems its one or the other, or none. Should more than 3 contribute well, and another 3 contribute something, either in a 28 or a 15 in 10 balls, we have a show. The last 5 can get 10, 5, 1 it all adds up. While our batting is fragile, we need top bowling and top fielding, and top placement of the fielders, thats worth many runs to us

Should we win today, and for once, on merit, nothing changes. Give me meritorious performances in 5 straight matches, (the results don't matter), that will mean we have improved.

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#1970393 7-Mar-2018 10:06

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With the above in mind, ENG have cantered in all three matches, and were stiff not to have 3 easy wins

Here they haven't got off to 10RR, its hasnt been that easy, so they held wickets. NZ was the same, but we can't hold onto our wickets

When was the last time Guppy AND Munro got off to a start?

Should we win today, and for once, on merit, nothing changes. Give me meritorious performances in 5 straight matches, (the results don't matter), that will mean we have improved.

This is somewhat true RE aus, but they did beat them 4-0 in the Ashes, then Aus lost 4-1 in the ODIs, then didnt drop a game in the T20s.

So going on Engs last 8 ODIs they are 6-2.

All Im saying is this pitch is more their style of the ball coming onto the bat and posting 300+ with a canter.

Their net run rate would still be pretty high over those 8odis. No sleep, cant do math lol.

What Im seeing different in NZ is when roy and biarstow fail, they just canter anyway and still win. I mean its nuts having a player of Rashids ability batting at 10. We would take him at 6 lol. I guess thats what gives them the confidence to know they can rely on their tail to finish the job should they get in trouble. Jos Butler is the kind of wicket keeper I want, high SR but rarely fails lol. Can we swap him for Latham? Hes often the difference but even if he got out, they can get home from 8-10, where as us, I feel we a little fragile, perhaps everywhere.

For me a win today depends on our top 4 and Williamsons SR. I still feel we are missing a high SR batsman, where Eng have another 3 we have 2 at the start. True re Guppy and Munro, its been a while since they both went hard and we looked awesome, pre t20 they looked great. I dont think the t20 series did us much favours, outside Guppy averaging 60 in t20s lol, now perhaps he, and maybe the whole team have found it hard to drop back a pace. You see it with Munro, last innings, he was air swinging until he settled down after 3 near things and got some runs.

It shall be fun to watch, but if we bat first it better be 300+ or we will have no scoreboard pressure IMO.

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#1970431 7-Mar-2018 10:56

TeaLeaf:

tdgeek:

With the above in mind, ENG have cantered in all three matches, and were stiff not to have 3 easy wins

Here they haven't got off to 10RR, its hasnt been that easy, so they held wickets. NZ was the same, but we can't hold onto our wickets

When was the last time Guppy AND Munro got off to a start?

Should we win today, and for once, on merit, nothing changes. Give me meritorious performances in 5 straight matches, (the results don't matter), that will mean we have improved.

This is somewhat true RE aus, but they did beat them 4-0 in the Ashes, then Aus lost 4-1 in the ODIs, then didnt drop a game in the T20s.

So going on Engs last 8 ODIs they are 6-2.

All Im saying is this pitch is more their style of the ball coming onto the bat and posting 300+ with a canter.

Their net run rate would still be pretty high over those 8odis. No sleep, cant do math lol.

What Im seeing different in NZ is when roy and biarstow fail, they just canter anyway and still win. I mean its nuts having a player of Rashids ability batting at 10. We would take him at 6 lol. I guess thats what gives them the confidence to know they can rely on their tail to finish the job should they get in trouble. Jos Butler is the kind of wicket keeper I want, high SR but rarely fails lol. Can we swap him for Latham? Hes often the difference but even if he got out, they can get home from 8-10, where as us, I feel we a little fragile, perhaps everywhere.

For me a win today depends on our top 4 and Williamsons SR. I still feel we are missing a high SR batsman, where Eng have another 3 we have 2 at the start. True re Guppy and Munro, its been a while since they both went hard and we looked awesome, pre t20 they looked great. I dont think the t20 series did us much favours, outside Guppy averaging 60 in t20s lol, now perhaps he, and maybe the whole team have found it hard to drop back a pace. You see it with Munro, last innings, he was air swinging until he settled down after 3 near things and got some runs.

It shall be fun to watch, but if we bat first it better be 300+ or we will have no scoreboard pressure IMO.

With our batting fragility, 300 is a long way off. But we are chasing so thats one target we dont have to guess

If we win, great, but I wont be happy unless its a win we made, not lucked into. Our last 3 games have been very consistent, 3 performed, that well short of acceptable. A low Kane RR is preferable to a high RR and 6 runs

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#1970494 7-Mar-2018 11:25

Well Kane did the right thing with the toss, with the pitch being its slowest this morning due to the rain, Eng dont like slow. But this is looking Ominous. If these 2 get in, it just ramps up.

How do you guys feel about the ladies joining the commentary?

Smithy called for the selectors to keep playing Sodhi and so they have. I think its the right move, hes our only real wrist spinner talent of note I can ever remember. Now that Santner is averaging close to 30 he can be like Ali for England who doesnt always bowl, but hes in the team for both should they need him. Im thinking Test matches, Santner and Sodhi will be a whole new dymanic for NZ that we arent use too. Southee will retire in a few years and I suspect Fergusson is who they are targetting to be the second opener. that leaves one more pace man and it wont be Colin, at the moment it will be Wagner. Its shaping up nicely, if we can just get some consistency in our batting I think the team has positives ahead.

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#1970496 7-Mar-2018 11:29

tdgeek:

A low Kane RR is preferable to a high RR and 6 runs

Of course, I just mean thats all he needs to work on in white ball cricket. He often hampers the run rate on the rare occassions our openers both do well. I feel he needs to keep that momentum is all I meant. Tick it over to the remaining opener every ball is all he needs to do until that opener is out, and then go back to working a patnership with Taylor. Thats where success comes, partnerships. Which isnt something we struggle with, its a collapse when that partnership is broken, ie 4-6 from the middle order the last match.

What is our fielding doing. Latham throw the ball at the stumps missed by a mile and nearly cleans up Boult and nobody backing up, four runs. Bad fielding from latham and bad fielding from Williamson. 3 bad fielding plays now, 2 by williamson which is unusual.

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#1970498 7-Mar-2018 11:31

Funny. We have two specialist spinners, both very good. Thats end of story

This is ominous. ENG are playing smart, we are fielding poorly, thats a double hit. 8 RR without playing at an 8 RR rate

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#1970499 7-Mar-2018 11:33

Keeping an eye on live scoring and it does look very ominous. I don't mind female commentators in general at all, although that one lady who was doing a lot of the Sky commentary earlier in the season - Debbie someone I think? Honestly she was painful to listen to. Get the impression she's trying far too hard - just need to relax a bit. Will probably get better with time.

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#1970500 7-Mar-2018 11:34

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Funny. We have two specialist spinners, both very good. Thats end of story

I think its fantastic, it mimics Ali and Rashid for Eng. Except Sodhi will never be the #10 batsman Rashid is, but its been said hes working very very hard on batting. For Eng Ali can be a batsman, a bowler, or both. they dont always bowl him.

Yes this is what Eng looked like against Aus, effortless 8rpo. If Roys eye is in, he will go at SR130 for 30 overs.

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#1970504 7-Mar-2018 11:37

wratterus:

Keeping an eye on live scoring and it does look very ominous. I don't mind female commentators in general at all, although that one lady who was doing a lot of the Sky commentary earlier in the season - Debbie someone I think? Honestly she was painful to listen to. Get the impression she's trying far too hard - just need to relax a bit. Will probably get better with time.

I agree I like it, but some of them can be painful. But so can some male commentators. I dont mind Leslie Murdoch.

Yes this didnt help Debbie, she is our NZ Cricket President.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11959901

This is the England ive been waiting for. Whats worse is they have better batsman to come and they bat all they way to 10. So bowling them out is unlikely.

Terrible review from Williamson, what was boult thinking, outside line, lucky if hitting off, and definitely going over to my eye.

Edit: yep well above. NZ desperate already.

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