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TeaLeaf

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  #3177130 2-Jan-2024 15:47
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Precisely my one simple point, do not under estimate sides, but more so a weakened one. 

 

They still look pretty good.

 

I guess it depends on what NZ selects. 

Personally I think our one real problem is Conway has had a long run bad form. He is 10 less just this last 12 months. I think he was so good at all 3 formats for so long, I think time has come that he may have to consider white ball soley, like Trent is doing outside ODI WC.

 

But, form wise, Will Young saved us a few times of late.........


 
 
 

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  #3177135 2-Jan-2024 16:03
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TeaLeaf:

Precisely my one simple point, do not under estimate sides, but more so a weakened one. 


They still look pretty good.


I guess it depends on what NZ selects. 

Personally I think our one real problem is Conway has had a long run bad form. He is 10 less just this last 12 months. I think he was so good at all 3 formats for so long, I think time has come that he may have to consider white ball soley, like Trent is doing outside ODI WC.


But, form wise, Will Young saved us a few times of late.........



The playing 11 that I want to see for the SA Test series

1. Latham
2. Conway
3. Williamson
4. Young
5. Mitchell
6. Blundell
7. G Phillips
8. Jamieson
9. Henry
10. Southee
11. Wagner

Will Young needs to be in this test side. His form in recent times has been good. They should not continue with Nicholls, he has had way too many chances similar to Guptill when he was playing tests.

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  #3177158 2-Jan-2024 17:37
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Had a quick lol at Tim Robinsons start to a career. Something like avg 210 sr 175. Not a bad start,

Matt Fisher is an interesting young bowler to me. 




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  #3177180 2-Jan-2024 18:52
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TeaLeaf:

 

 

 

Mate, your never going to stop guys who have played any level from having justified picks with the selectors.

 

Keep in mind, these are the first games without Larsen, who while at times annoyed me, the reality is the Coach has ultimate selection, the selector is just there to help him see other possibilities. Id say its fair to expect some grinding periods.

 

Rachin was in the squad of 13, if they had played him, its one further down everbody after GP has to play giving hopefully  meaning an avg 30+ runs per game.

 

Is unimportant now, we move on to the Tests soon, Im just hoping all this player rest and Saf coming to us in a weak team so they say, hopefully we get some Test cricket form back and we can win a series vs aus.

 

 

Despite the tone of my posts, and the often disagreements we have over Warriors , and the Black Caps, I do highly respect your passion. Passion is everything. The other stuff are sideline issues. Perhaps i get over analytical, perhaps you get over passionate. Doesnt really matter, its the same end goal


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  #3178988 8-Jan-2024 14:30
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NZ domestic has been great so far this year. Definitely have some good younger bowlers coming through. Memorable innings in the Super Smash, Finn allens 78no at about SR200, Guptils 85no, Doug Bracewell's 93no was one of the best Ive seen from an all rounder (he has a SR of 230 this season). Is good having Finn allen back in Auckland opening with Guppy along with Cam Fletcher to resolve auck's WK issue, but would have been nice to keep Glenn Phillips who moved to Otago to play with his Bro and Foxcroft, they looked awesome together other day. Not sure what the delay on Foxcroft into the black caps is. Will Young is playing some sensational red and white ball this season.

Red Ball and ODI domestic has been equally impressive. I think we are in with a chance the next t20 WC.

Lockie looks to be bowling back up over 150, would be good to see him and Sears bowling together in white ball. I think Sears could make the test team. Fisher looks good, very early days for him, but quick.

 

Mark Chapman has been nominated for ICC T20 international player of the year (23) award. Was good to see him up the order (Guppy injured a hammy) go toe to toe with Finn to knock yesterdays total off at the SR circa SR200.

 

I think this years SS champ will be either auck or welli, really depends on what players each lose to the upcoming NZ ODI and Test tours, I think Central has so many good players they wont lose they could be outside odds to make a charge for it too.

 

Speaking of selections, like I was saying about the selection of half of a batting team vs the Bangers got what it deserved, people are weighing in on the Saf Protea's selection for the NZ tests, Steve Waugh has said NZ is within its rights to turn them down from coming. Personally Id like the wins as it counts for our WTC points as does the aussie tour of NZ. But on the flip side it would have been nice for more of the "real" Saf team to be on show.

 

Edit: Speaking Will Young, just scored a 50 in t20. Now Doug Bracewell has joined Tom Bruce. Central really have a great top 6. Michael Bracewell is bowling very nicely since coming back from injury.


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  #3180152 10-Jan-2024 18:31
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Will Young just scores yet another t20. He really should be playing the upcoming NZ white ball Blackcaps home series.....

 

Edit: Wow, Will Young scores the second century of this SSmash season with a 6, SR at about 200. He is in such good form. Finishes 101NO.

 

 

 

 


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  #3183119 17-Jan-2024 14:18
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Wow Finn allen has matured and delivered NZC what they asked for, consistency.

 

101 from 47 so far, he hit the most 6s in a NZ players innings, has added a few to that. So many boundaries over 100m let alone 107m, 5 ball changes so far.

Seifert has also matured, replacing Kane, he has fed Finn the strike but also hit his own boundaries.

Conway needs to go back to domestic cricket sadly, his form is beyond a dip. NZ also need 2 more all rounders, at least one ie Doug/Michael Bracewell or Nesham or possibly Rachin/Foxcroft.

For me it should would be either a good swap for Conway or Williamson, Michael Bracewell would be good at 7 pushing one pace bowler off the team and Santner to 8.  

 

NZ has not lost a t20i at Uni Oval, with a total of 20, next best ground in the world won 13 before a loss. This includes beating aus there too.

 

edit: Mitchell gone meekly, he is another in form slump, had a good innings other day but that was a silly shot. NZ does have the players in domestic to cover the form slumps though.

 

Meanwhile aces have lost a match with Fergusson and Finn allen in BC's and Guptill either playing his overseas cricket but I think more likely still has the hammy issue.




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  #3183126 17-Jan-2024 14:38
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Ugggh Finn chops on, wow that was so amazing to watch, by far the best NZ t20i player innings. Too many records broken to list. 137 from 62, SR221. 

 

Mccullums two highest scores stood for a decade as NZs number one and two innings for a decade until today, now still 2 and 3...

 

That was interesting stat, in t20 cricket, teams who have an opening partnership of 100+ win 84% of the time. a real shame Conway has just lost it, I think he needs some time off internationals and will be back again. Im sure they will keep selecting him regardless, which is a mistake with a T20 world cup around the corner. NZ could win this one with the right squad selection. Just pick our best form players like aus would.


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  #3183135 17-Jan-2024 14:49
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Allen form this series has been very good. Conway needs to go back to domestic. Has not been the same since he got injured in the T20 World Cup in 2021 when he punched his hand on the bat. Even with some good scores here and there hasn’t performed consistently since 2022.

Will Young should be playing in the next test series. His form has been consistent recently compared to Conway. I would put him back to Opening with Latham or move him to No 4.

At this stage I believe Conway has lost his place in the T20i if Allen and Seifert continue performing.

I believe this will be the XI for the T20 World Cup
1. Allen
2. Siefert (wk)
3. Williamson (c)
4. Mitchell
5. G Phillips
6. Neesham/M Bracewell
7. Santner
8. Southee
9. Ferguson/Milne
10. Sodhi
11. Boult

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  #3183142 17-Jan-2024 14:59
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Dochart: 
Will Young should be playing in the next test series. 

 

He should be playing in this match too, hard to criticise Seifert who steered it early nicely, but Young has been in blistering form in all 3 formats. But WK/Batsman wise, Dane Cleaver is the form batsman.

 

With guys like Finn, you just need someone in the top 3 who can steer it, so Young at 2 or 3 would be very nice. Just so many good players in NZ now. I see us hitting very hard to beat form again soon.

Fergusson should bowl some 150kph yorkers today, would be nice to have Sears in the same squad to learn from the older fast fast bowler. Fisher looks very good too, reminds me of Shane Bond with his loopy yorker and not overly tall, skiddy ball. another younster in pace Im forgetting, but the future looks good for when Tim and co retire. 

NZ were on course for 250, really bad final couple of overs.

 

Babar is the key here. Ayub as opener reminds me of Finn when he was first getting to grips with internationals, he can belt it no doubt.


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  #3183148 17-Jan-2024 15:51
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Will Young is there, 12th man, to replace Josh Clarkson, the great all rounder but we also have Nesham etc. So we perhaps dont have a pace bowler all rounder in this squad.

 

Either way I hope Will Young plays the final two in this series, at opener and move Seifert to #3, hopefully either Finn or Seifert come off and Young feeds them while hitting the odd boundary, then Tee off himself depending on the score not the overs. Give Conway some time back in Domestic to get that scintillating confidence back when he and Finn were playing for the Welli team.


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  #3183173 17-Jan-2024 17:14
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Well that was impressive.

 

If we can just swap some of the strictly bowling pace men for some pace bowling all rounders like Nesham, Josh Clarkson and the man in form Doug Bracewell, it will help finish our score off in the mid-tail end of the game.

 

We left 25 runs out there, that the likes of Bracewell and co are capable of going at SR200+. They can also save an innings that has lost too many wickets.

 

aside from that NZ isnt too far off the perfect formula. Kane would be perfect at 4 as he can guide the remainder of the big hitting openers and then with the likes of Mitchell and GP in the middle.

 

Good effort from Pak, I dont think the scores show that, but they are rebuilding with some brilliant cricketers. My favourite is the huge man and hitter plus WK, Khan. When he connects it barely looks hit some times but flies for 6. If they can keep NZ to under 200 or better 180, in the final two games, they have the talent, especially with us missing some crucial positions/players.

 

But Finn really has looked good in the 3 formats for a year or so now. He really has mastered the SR200 through longer innings. His stats should improve, likely finish avg30 and SR190 but much higher from here on. Im sure he will have a slump too, they all do, but t20 is very much about making the most of the power play with the fielders in, get 70+ with only one down and most seem to win, but 100 partnership from openers and its almost assured statistically.


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  #3183266 17-Jan-2024 22:00
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Dochart: Allen form this series has been very good. Conway needs to go back to domestic. Has not been the same since he got injured in the T20 World Cup in 2021 when he punched his hand on the bat. Even with some good scores here and there hasn’t performed consistently since 2022.

 

Conway 2022/2023 

 

Test Average 48.50

 

ODI Average 52.85 @96

 

T20I Average 43.83 @120

 

He's had a lean last few games, he'll come right.


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  #3183267 17-Jan-2024 22:04
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TeaLeaf:

 

But Finn really has looked good in the 3 formats for a year or so now. 

 

 

He averaged 17.7 @91 last year in 11 ODIs. He's still a ways off.


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  #3184375 20-Jan-2024 12:04
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Yeh, I hope this years aus ODI's will follow Finns t20i form. It looks to me he has realised hitting along the deck until his eye is in is the way to go. Michael Clarke had that problem in red ball until he started hitting along the carpet. Obviously if its there to be hit for 6 in the power play Finn should go for it, with his ability to hit 110m, even a half bat hit will go for 6 at most of our grounds. a shame he missed out yesterday after doing just that, using his placement for 2 fours, then the Afridi show kicked in with a leading edge from a ball going well down leg side.

 

Will Young such bad luck after being in great domestic form, hopefully he can smash a 50 in the 5th match.

 

I thought Foxcroft is eligible now? With an avg of ~42 with SR130, he has to be in the team, being a younger player I hope they dont wait until hes 30yo like they seem to with a lot of players. We need good players to take over the mantle when this old team all start retiring together.

 

Georgeson turned down that Ireland contract to play NZ domestic, early signs look good despite the stats, he has good technique. There are so many players pushing for selection now its hard to keep up with who are the young guns coming through.

 

Whilst I love swing bowling, 1.1deg for NZ vs 2.1 for Pk was extreme difference with them bowling under lights with some humidity, its a lottery, But Santner did choose to bowl first. I wonder if there is anything they can do with ball technology, more so with the Pink ball night Test matches which really does become luck of the Toss/lottery.

 

But after 3 down after those two overs, it was so good to see Mitchell finally out of the slump. I do hope Conway does come out of his. GP and Mitchell showed how to sensibly build, upping the anti in the final 5. Too many sides who dont have a Finn try to use that powerplay, but maintaining wickets through the PP is more important imo.

We dont need 4 pace bowl specialists would be my main change. Doug Bracewell is forcing his way back in with his batting form this year, Santner to 8 and Doug to 7. The Bang ODIs had Santner in at 6 which is nuts. Need a deep batting line up to correct potential collapses, provided the all rounders are capable of pace changes with the ball. Id also have Cleaver in as my WK, consistent where Fletcher is a bit on off at the moment but has better stats than Seifert. I think the next t20 will be Seiferts last bite of the cherry. Otherwise Id have Cleaver in for the upcoming Aus ODIs. Unless Conway feels it helps him by keeping, but Id have thought he needs the least distraction from turning his form around.


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