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  Reply # 2141373 8-Dec-2018 00:57
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10 wickets in 2 sessions. Really not much more to say!




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  Reply # 2141381 8-Dec-2018 03:19
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Epic bowling from NZ to win a test series outside of NZ, and get us in the top 4 (not been there for a very long time), ahead of Australia ;-p


 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 2141657 8-Dec-2018 15:27
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So given we are going from concrete to Grass in NZ, I expect to dump all spinners, keeping 1 at most.

 

What a find Somerville was, first innings to hang in there for 99 balls, second innings to face 34 as night watch man, and with the ball doing his actual job taking 7 wickets.

 

I feel though we need to REALLY strengthen the batting to #7. Which would mean including Ish Sodhi whose average and EYE is very handy down the line.

 

But I think we should play 4 pacemen and 6 batsmen and Watling keeping and use our part time in Williamson etc who are no joke with the ball.

 

The hard part is finding 7 batsmen who average over 30 at least

 

Raval 33.86

 

Latham 36.27

 

Williamson 51.56 (has gone up 1.5 in these 3 tests)

 

Taylor 46.08

 

Nicholls 39.20 (hes pulled his form together right on time in the last 2 tests)

Anderson 32

 

Watling 38

 

Southee 17

 

Wagner 12

 

Boult 14.4

 

Fergusson 8.8

 


Thats 5. reasonably strong. Most teams openers dont average high as their job is to take the shine off the new ball. What we are missing is somebody who can put the hammer down. I know De Grandhomme has a 30 average but he is really out of form both bat and ball. Him along with Nicholls and Latham was where the partnerships were breaking. Latham was averaging above 40 not that long ago. But I feel Nicholls has just pulled it together, increasing his average by 3 in the last 2 tests. And we need to stick with Latham as opening is not an easy gig and often inconsistent. The other issue we have is the majority of our team are 30+.

I really want to see Guptill given another shot replacing CDH, he averages 30 also and considered not consistent. But I think playing him down the order plays to his suit. He is such a great technical player who is also a big hitter. He would pair with any of the top 5 well stopping the run rate stalling, along with playing a Mccullum/Watling type partnerships, which were always glorious. Speaking of which Mccullum was averaging well below 30 until he found his spot. I think guptils spot is not an opener in tests, hes a stroke maker and blocking balls gets stroke makers out, due to sitting on the fence, where Mccullum just went at it like he didnt care which worked for him, but hes much more a bludger of the ball than Guptill. George Worker is another option, but Munro the better one. Or Corey Anderson who is a better bet for both bowling and batting than Colin imo and hes 27 not 32yo. I think Colins short but late career is up. Hes like Shaun Johnson in league, can be amazing but very inconsistent. So going with that.

So going with worker that makes our line up look heaps stronger down to 7 which every test team needs. It also means we have 5 genuine bowlers 1 being an all rounder. But Anderson also has the ability to put the hammer down like Worker with the bat.


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  Reply # 2141850 9-Dec-2018 08:15
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It was one series against one country. Are we near a position where we can compete internationally? And I mean consistently. Any team can win a cricket match, its how they go month after month that is more important


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  Reply # 2142191 9-Dec-2018 19:15
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The International Cricket Council said in a statement that fourth-ranked New Zealand would leapfrog South Africa and England into second place on the test rankings behind India, if they beat Sri Lanka 2-0. They're hot favourites to do so, with the TAB pricing them at $1.70 to win both.

 

Ok, you got me, I'm interested. Like I was with the Warriors this year and not disappointed. India next. Nice.




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  Reply # 2144147 12-Dec-2018 14:14
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tdgeek:

 

Ok, you got me, I'm interested. Like I was with the Warriors this year and not disappointed. India next. Nice.

 

 

Dont worry the Warriors are a 3 year plan to turn from a NZ provincial club to an NRL Professional club. They have acheived all the stats required in the 3 year plan. I think Alex Corvo can be thanked for the Warriors being the fittest team start of season and to be 2nd in redzone defense, plus the majority being 80 minute players, remember when we use to be shot by 20 minutes lol. This year is focussed on offense, which means set plays, backing up offloaders (which we lead at), players in motion, getting up the field every set not being stuck in our own 50, etc. Johnson chewing sour grapes on his departure didnt help but it was the right move for the club, clearly he can produce magic, but he only does it 25% of his ball time.

So stick with them, I think 2020 is our premiership maiden, this year we will make the top 4.

 

Anyway back to topic haha.

 

Yes I do believe we can do it and it would be the most freakish achievement in NZ sport achievement. Even being 4 is amazing for a country that doesnt follow cricket that seriously of 4m people. Its an insane achievement.

 

We do need to steady that batting though. We were lucky 2 of our player performed in our 2nd innings in the 3rd test as we were not scoring passed 200 often. We need to be scoring 400 consistently. If you score a combined score of 600 from 1 or 2 innings you generally win or draw a test. But thats where Kanes gutsy declaration is really what set up the win, then Somerville and Southee taking wickets in clumps.

 

I dont see it coming so easily with Sri Lanka, we need to post 500+ if we win the toss and we need to bowl them out sub 300 if we lose.

 

Ferguson has to play, he was lethal on a grassless pitch in UAE and his bouncers took out 2 players, hes so accurate.

Play the extra batsman or play Sodhi or Santner with both being semi accomplished batsmen. Id still rather see Guptill bat 6 and use our part time bowlers if really needed, we dont use them anywhere near what we should. We have really talented part timers. Starting with Williamson. You only need 10 overs a day from them combined.

I know people say Guptill had his chance but we have had far worse batsmen in the past play for NZ. And if he plays 6 he is playing his natural game, which is not blocking the ball to get the movement off it.

If we can release Colin who is so badly out of form, and firm up the batting line, I think we have a good chance of beating Sri Lanka.

Ive got time off booked in for all 3 tests :-)




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  Reply # 2145637 15-Dec-2018 00:33
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Not too happy with the team listed. I think Fergusson should be bowling. He was lethal on a cement pitch, giving him some grass and hes gonna force players back on to their stumps all day, his last test he got his first 5fa and he gets dropped, wtf is that about. Unless hes got an injury im unaware of.

Ajaz Patel did have a good debut at age 30 lol, we have the oldest team possible. But that was on a spinners wicket. Its such a waste of a spot not only for a potental 7th batsman but now we got the weakest possible Tail with Colin being completely out of form with both bat and ball, I think its two selections theat are a waste where we could have another batsman and our fastest bowler in the country bowling his deadly accurate bouncers. If we can scrape a draw out of this one Ill be very happy that they learn what they should have from UAE, our batting line up is paper thin and our bowling should be our best pace bowlers and our part time spinners to make room for that extra batsman.

Tom Latham, Jeet Raval, Kane Williamson (captain), Ross Taylor, Henry Nicholls, BJ Watling, Colin de Grandhomme, Neil Wagner, Tim Southee, Ajaz Patel, Trent Boult


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  Reply # 2145640 15-Dec-2018 04:34
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I don't quite know where you are getting your data from but Ferguson hasn't played a test match let alone taken a five wicket bag. Until he can prove he can bowl 20 overs in a day at a consistent pace he won't play test cricket.

Equally going into a test at the Basin without a frontline spinner isnt the best idea either. You need at least two into the wind bowlers at Wellington and one of them needs to be a spinner. Anderson isn't bowling that much yet.

I'd be surprised if we don't win the test series fairly handily, the subcontinental sides generally struggle in New Zealand, especially in the before Christmas series.



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  Reply # 2145739 15-Dec-2018 12:32
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I'd be surprised if we don't win the test series fairly handily, the subcontinental sides generally struggle in New Zealand, especially in the before Christmas series.

 

I dont thin NZ bats particularlly well anywhere. If the big 2 come off we make 400 but thats usually out best, more often its the tail struggling us through to 200.

 

If boult is hitting 141, fergusson would be hitting 155kph on a GREEN surface.

 

I dont think 4-5 days will be an issue for fergusson. Yes he hasnt played tests yet, his 5fa coming from the last oDI. But his 1st class best is a BBI 5fa BBM 12 wickets. Do we wait until our players are grandparents before we blood new players.

 

I get your point about a spinner, in that case Id have dropped Colin. Hopefuly being at home he turns his ugly form around, bowl some people out and score some 50s :-)




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  Reply # 2145740 15-Dec-2018 12:34
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Lol as I speak Colin over steps the crease and gets a wicket which is then turned down on replay. rank amateur mistake.

 

Did Colin just drop the test match by over stepping? Cripes hes luck if hes medium fast.




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  Reply # 2145747 15-Dec-2018 13:05
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Well you would still say it was NZ's session.

 

But cmon. 9/3, then Colin DeGranhomme oversteps the crease like a first class noob after the full toss he just bowled is caught (it was just comedy all round). And now they are 73/3. If these 2 can get through to 250, game on for Sri Lanka. We need to keep them below 300 and 300 in the secoind innings. 600 wins a test generally unless the other team matches it. 

 

What a major let down, I was like, maybe I should have listened to the rubbish hype about us being clear favs.




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  Reply # 2145822 15-Dec-2018 15:05
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What was that ridiculously low number of wickets by spin on the basin in recent tests.

 

The block looks nearly as green as the outfield. I think Boult was showing how and where to bowl.

Lol Wagner gets us a lucky one. Maybe we will have them by 250, I hope so.




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  Reply # 2145872 15-Dec-2018 17:25
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Well done by Sri Lanka, 220 odd runs from their middle and tail last 4 batsmen. But I feel if NZ can get them all out for 250 whilst we will feel a bit let down after being 9-3 and Colin DeGrandhomme overstepping the crease costing us another wicket. None the less if they were told 250 all out before start of play they would be chuffed with that. Means if we can score 400, it will be very hard for Sri Lanka to draw let alone not lose.

 

If Sri lanka make 300, NZ will have to score quickly and make the 300 fast, to give us a good chance of winning. Its all about the time taken to get to 300 from either team, if Sri lanka make it through until lunch tomorrow, not good. But I cant see it.




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  Reply # 2146118 16-Dec-2018 14:25
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All going to plan.

 

Glorious sunshine and no wind, rare as hens teeth as the Basin/Welli, yet their doesnt appear to be that much of a crowd.

 

Henry Nicholls last 2 tests not only saved him but hes now ranked #9 in ICC, Kane is #2. Poor Steve Smith at 3 they didnt even mention.




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  Reply # 2146139 16-Dec-2018 14:55
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Nicholls has averaged 51 since Jan 2017, but what is of note is how many failures are in there or where hes gotten a start and hasnt carried on with it with only 3 centuries in that near 2 year period. 

 

Which says he has much better potential than what he is living up to. 

 

Given he is only 27 he has to remain in the team now, aside from if he has a year averaging 20 odd. He averaged 26 for his first year with no centuries, but again, starts then failures.

 

What he needs to do is be more consistent, get these tests where he score 80 and 2 to being more 80 and 60, ie just get the number of complete failures consistently out of his game. I dont think scoring large few and far between will remove his reputation, which is inconsistent, like Guptil at opening. 

 

So Im quite happy with him now.

 

The position that concerns me is Colins. Hes passed it, hes had his late in the career piece of fame, Id rather have fergusson in the team if we have to have a alrounder. But Id much rather go for Corey Anderson and look to get a new young team going not golden oldies. But I still think we have plenty of part timers to fill in 20 overs a day between them. So I think we should go for someone who can average 40 and smash it which Guptil would suit at 6, give him a go further down the line where he doesnt have his natural game stifled. But we have plenty of other first class batsmen that can fill that void. Either way we really need 7 batsmen who average high 30s-50s. It does go against the old school mentality of 5 bowlers, the problem being, now Colin has been failing for a good period, who else can bowl and average above 30. Anderson doesnt but he is younger and more consistent.

Great 50 by Latham, taking 130 balls, one period he was like 15 from 100 balls which is what you want from an opener. Raval a bit unlucky but again 41 from 70 balls he did his job, seeig off the shine on the ball. I feel we have found a great pair of openers that can let the lower order cash in, but one of the next 3 have to score a century every game, then if watling could have another batsman or all rounder to stick out another 50 overs with, we should be able to score 400 consistently.


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