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#2276671 15-Jul-2019 07:52

In the end though, it seems fitting the fact our inability to make hard decisions when it comes to selections and our downright refusal to acknowledge the reality of player form is what cost us the win.

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#2276686 15-Jul-2019 08:24

I'd say the reason they lost is because our best bowler couldn't get a wicket (although was unlucky on the very first ball!) and went for the most runs.

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#2276688 15-Jul-2019 08:31

Some interesting theories floating around that Stokes had not crossed when the ball was thrown, which is key in terms of how many runs can be awarded for a deflection:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/cd6svj/the_deflection_493/ets0szp/

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#2276696 15-Jul-2019 08:38

Doesnt matter, its forgotten mow as the right team won. Beats me how an umpire can call a guy out, the ball tracker shows it hit half a ball, but he's still out. yes I know it as to be over half a ball but why? There should be a true third umpire present and not have a rule that says they have 1 review, so lets bet on the odds and hope we get it right. tennis has up to 4 in one set, rugby unlimited.

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#2276701 15-Jul-2019 08:48

A shame no one here is talking about what a match it was. Sure, it's super disappointing to come second in those circumstances, but we wanted to be competitive and we were.

It will go down in history as one if not the greatest matches ever played.

Congrats for a great competition from the Black Caps. Worthy Finalists, worthy competitors!

Congrats to England.

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#2276713 15-Jul-2019 09:02

tdgeek:

Doesnt matter, its forgotten mow as the right team won.

It most certainly does matter. The fact it was not even referred to be checked does start to put some other umpiring decisions in context...

Here's the video; they were more than half a pitch apart at the time of the throw - this is a howler of unmatched proportions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YCLHV_XEWk

19.8 Overthrow or wilful act of fielder

If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be

any runs for penalties awarded to either side

and the allowance for the boundary

and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had

already crossed at the instant of the throw or act.

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#2276716 15-Jul-2019 09:05

Also seems kinds of silly deciding the game on who got the most boundaries in the end.
Why not the team that took the most wickets?

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#2276722 15-Jul-2019 09:10

GV27:

tdgeek:

Doesnt matter, its forgotten mow as the right team won.

It most certainly does matter. The fact it was not even referred to be checked does start to put some other umpiring decisions in context...

Here's the video; they were more than half a pitch apart at the time of the throw - this is a howler of unmatched proportions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YCLHV_XEWk

19.8 Overthrow or wilful act of fielder

If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be

any runs for penalties awarded to either side

and the allowance for the boundary

and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had

already crossed at the instant of the throw or act.

Its a bit like the AB's quarter final loss, that's a howler, no one wants to talk about it. Its like an unwritten rule in sport, tough bikkies. This will be one of those times, as the right team won. Home game, every past captain there to celebrate the expected win against useless NZ and they never won before.

They need to fix these umpire rules

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#2276727 15-Jul-2019 09:17

networkn:

A shame no one here is talking about what a match it was. ...

A fair bit of excited discussion went on during the game. I think the post-match comments from those who watched it are really just lamenting what could've, maybe should've, been.

The three hardest things to say: 1. I was wrong, 2. I need help, 3. Worcestershire sauce.

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#2276732 15-Jul-2019 09:21

floydbloke:

networkn:

A shame no one here is talking about what a match it was. ...

A fair bit of excited discussion went on during the game. I think the post-match comments from those who watched it are really just lamenting what could've, maybe should've, been.

Sure, I can certainly understand it to a large degree, I am not the Cricket Fan to the same degree as many in this thread, and I certainly lament rules that allow someone to deflect the ball to the boundary even unintentionally and other little moments, but at the end of the day, both teams had 50 overs to win outright and couldn't. It was as close a result as you'd ever likely see in a final, and what we should be focused on now, is what an acheievement it was to even be in contention and how proud we should be to have played that way in a final. It could have gone either way!

Disappointment is natural but we should not let it overshadow the spectacle of the match.

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#2276733 15-Jul-2019 09:21

floydbloke:

networkn:

A shame no one here is talking about what a match it was. ...

A fair bit of excited discussion went on during the game. I think the post-match comments from those who watched it are really just lamenting what could've, maybe should've, been.

I don't mind a loss. Prefer a win off course. But when your team plays the best, the other side gets all the run of the green and even now as I type this I see alerts arrive on my phone about obscure rules, and a few anomalies in that game, you need to wonder what really happened. Call me cynical but its odd

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#2276762 15-Jul-2019 09:42

If you're going to use an obscure rule to award the trophy in the case of a tie then you damn well better have applied all the other actual rules correctly to get there.

Clearly this hasn't happened.

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#2276767 15-Jul-2019 09:49

GV27:

If you're going to use an obscure rule to award the trophy in the case of a tie then you damn well better have applied all the other actual rules correctly to get there.

Clearly this hasn't happened.

You mean the fours rule as compared to D/L/S which uses runs and wickets? If the weather is dodgy, yes you factor that in, if you win the toss, and both teams would factor that in as regards run scoring speed so they dont get stung. Or that as no one knows, they all get told later.

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#2276773 15-Jul-2019 10:14

tdgeek:

You mean the fours rule as compared to D/L/S which uses runs and wickets? If the weather is dodgy, yes you factor that in, if you win the toss, and both teams would factor that in as regards run scoring speed so they dont get stung. Or that as no one knows, they all get told later.

We only ended up in that position because the +6 wasn't correctly scored as a +5.

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#2276781 15-Jul-2019 10:32

The Kiwi's gave all of NZ something to smile about. Just getting to the finals was quite the achievement let alone coming such a close second. Blame who you want to blame, but both teams deserve a huge CONGRATS.

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