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#2024150 28-May-2018 19:22

Super race, for lots of reasons.

Unquestionably Danny Ricc's drive. Stayed calm and used all of his tools, losing 160bhp and the dropping 7th and 8th gear.

How the tyres were was interesting.

Max continuing his crashes. From what has now been said, and his own comments, I think he will change his attitude from Canada.

With his two DNF's, Danny Ricc has still won two races, same as Hamilton and Vettel in what is not a title contender. If they had another few HP, it would really be game on.

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#2024213 28-May-2018 20:14

Many drivers are on a pretty even level.

Two things separate them -

The car's ability, and reliabilty

When it comes to the minor details, then you got team strategy, tyres, and luck.

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#2024234 28-May-2018 20:22

Batman:

Many drivers are on a pretty even level.

Two things separate them -

The car's ability, and reliabilty

When it comes to the minor details, then you got team strategy, tyres, and luck.

So not that great a win?

Cars ability - Its not quick, but it has a good chassis and design

Reliability - That would be a Monaco fail

Strategy - They had no strategy as the car was borked.

Tyres - Tyres weren't great for all the cars, DR managed his

Luck - Pretty much bad all day.

He made this win from nothing at lap 18. I agree many drivers are close, but DR has gone up a notch to one of the top drivers now. He doesnt cause crashes, make mistakes, and he is the best passer in the series. He shook Vettel. He is calm under pressure, and he has long maximised that car.

Max will sort out his driving, but it wont now be because of being told off yet again (and I gather it was a serious wake up call), this race that has elevated DR, shows Max how to race F1.

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#2024235 28-May-2018 20:29

Pretty much any good driver cannot be overtaken in Monaco. He could well be better than the rest, I'm not sure.

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#2024745 29-May-2018 13:00

Max was the wonder child, the guy that brought the excitement and fresh attitude.
Now that he's binned the car multiple times, that's wearing a bit thin.

Did Daniel Ricciardo stop for tyres in that race? Think I missed that if he did.

Surprised Vettel couldn't do more.

Holy moly Lewis can whinge. Seriously if he'd come in for tyres, he'd drop places, and you can't pass there anyway so better to stay out like everyone else with crappy tyres is.

Will Daniel stay with Red Bull after this year, with their reliability and non performance issues?

Poor Hartley was probably on for his best finish this year, before being rear ended.

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#2024781 29-May-2018 13:39

My guess is DR to Ferrari to replace Kimi.

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#2024811 29-May-2018 13:52

tdgeek:

Batman:

Many drivers are on a pretty even level.

Two things separate them -

The car's ability, and reliabilty

When it comes to the minor details, then you got team strategy, tyres, and luck.

So not that great a win?

I still stand by my statement. From about 2009.

2009, JB, never wins unless it rains. Suddenly in 2009 wins every race and from 2010, never wins unless it rains.

AFter that RB dominated. Doesn't matter who you put in the RB, they win, for about 4 years.

Then Merc took over, for 4 years it someone from Merc wins.

The only way to know who is better is if you put them all in the same car and have a qualifying and race. And do it 20 times.

There are a few guys - who qualify in 4th-10th, who can win races with a bit of luck.

A few names spring to mind

- Schumacher in the younger days (not when he came out of retirement). Once from last to 3rd, a few times similar.

- Hamilton (many times but not necessarily needing back luck from people in front). A few times from nearly last to podium.

- Ricciardo (but iirc usually needs bad luck from people in front).

- Alonso for a few races in a Ferrari

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#2024996 29-May-2018 16:44

Jaxson:

Max was the wonder child, the guy that brought the excitement and fresh attitude.
Now that he's binned the car multiple times, that's wearing a bit thin.

Did Daniel Ricciardo stop for tyres in that race? Think I missed that if he did.

Surprised Vettel couldn't do more.

Holy moly Lewis can whinge. Seriously if he'd come in for tyres, he'd drop places, and you can't pass there anyway so better to stay out like everyone else with crappy tyres is.

Will Daniel stay with Red Bull after this year, with their reliability and non performance issues?

Poor Hartley was probably on for his best finish this year, before being rear ended.

Max has worn them out. What used to be "we have discussed" is now "he needs to change" from Horner.

DR stopped not long after the others stopped for tyres. He could have gone longer as he was still quicker, but then exposed to a safety car

Will DR stay at RBR? Hard to know. Ferrari is most peoples dream team from an iconic viewpoint. He speaks Italian. But RBR is a better car, and has been the best chassis forever. It doesnt need too much more hp as its design makes up for a lot of missing hp. When they win 4 titles, they still had the slowest car, but the best overall package. I think DR will wait as long as he can, and if he misses the bus, another year at RBR is not a bad option. Think Alonso, goes to Ferrari, bad luck, moves to McLaren, bad luck.

Poor Hartley, yes, he was often ahead of Gasly in FP sessions. Talk is he may not make the next race. If he had a clean race, that may have helped him, but I'm not sure he rates that well.

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#2025003 29-May-2018 16:50

Batman:

tdgeek:

Batman:

Many drivers are on a pretty even level.

Two things separate them -

The car's ability, and reliabilty

When it comes to the minor details, then you got team strategy, tyres, and luck.

So not that great a win?

I still stand by my statement. From about 2009.

2009, JB, never wins unless it rains. Suddenly in 2009 wins every race and from 2010, never wins unless it rains.

AFter that RB dominated. Doesn't matter who you put in the RB, they win, for about 4 years.

Then Merc took over, for 4 years it someone from Merc wins.

The only way to know who is better is if you put them all in the same car and have a qualifying and race. And do it 20 times.

There are a few guys - who qualify in 4th-10th, who can win races with a bit of luck.

A few names spring to mind

- Schumacher in the younger days (not when he came out of retirement). Once from last to 3rd, a few times similar.

- Hamilton (many times but not necessarily needing back luck from people in front). A few times from nearly last to podium.

- Ricciardo (but iirc usually needs bad luck from people in front).

- Alonso for a few races in a Ferrari

You say "The only way to know who is better is if you put them all in the same car and have a qualifying and race. And do it 20 times." and then you list a lot of examples that are car dependent.

The best drivers are Alonso, Hamilton, Ricciardo, Vettel and Verstappen, in no particular order.

But I agree that I'd like to see an even series, sorta like: each driver takes a turn at every grid position. Quali decides their choice to work through 1,2,3 ...

Cannot see a Moto2 series with all the same car. Or maybe a quali that does have the same car and same 95% setup (choose your wing and suspension stiffness) and a 25 lap race to decide pole in the GP. Award passes. Something like that

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#2028006 3-Jun-2018 21:42

Watching Indycar race 1 at Detroit, working mans F1. Enjoying it. Can't get into Formula E so I'll flag that and do F1, F2 and Indycars.

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#2033945 11-Jun-2018 21:00

SO the chequered flag was waved a lap too early! Seb was saying imagine if people started celebrating on the track when everyone was going full speed.

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#2033954 11-Jun-2018 21:19

Quiet race, nothing much to report. Power circuit, so RBR runs 3rd and 4th, Mercedes 2nd and 5th, Ferrari far too good.

RBR had reasonable pace, due to trimming wings a little. Mercedes is average if not in front, as usual. Ferrari seems the best over-all package. If Red Bull got the 40hp they need, they would be No.1 Mercedes didnt have their new engine, but that wouldn't have made much difference. Every else gains are bigger, % wise. But at least each circuit isnt the sane brand every week.

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#2033996 11-Jun-2018 22:52

Sleepy yawn fest.

BH didn’t help his cause. Any word on the outcome of that first lap incident investigation?

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#2034041 11-Jun-2018 23:05

Monaco and Canada are 2 races I usually like watching (for totally different reasons), this year both were a huge let down.

I did like RBR lapping the works Renault team though.

BH was unlucky, good qualifying performance but he needs results to have any chance of staying. I haven't heard officially but i expect it will be a racing incident.

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#2034063 12-Jun-2018 07:13

Jaxson: Sleepy yawn fest.

BH didn’t help his cause. Any word on the outcome of that first lap incident investigation?

"I was side-by-side with Brendon going into Turn 5, the car got loose on me and I corrected it, but there was not much room for both of us.

"By the time I corrected it, we touched and went into the wall."

The stewards agreed with Stroll's assessment and a brief in-race investigation ended in no action being taken.

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