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  # 2101888 5-Oct-2018 06:44
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So in addition to Sky which I still need for Indycar and the V8s but with no PVR ability. Great.

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  # 2101917 5-Oct-2018 08:43
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GV27: So in addition to Sky which I still need for Indycar and the V8s but with no PVR ability. Great.


Yep, that’s a realistic possible outcome here.

History will read as:

Sky retains all rights but charges a huge amount for years, whilst they are the monopoly in New Zealand. Their cash flow means holding onto all sports rights is easy, especially against other public broadcasting competitors such as TV1 and smaller private broadcasters like TV3.

Broadband internet arrives, which offers customers alternatives to source content, beyond broadcast channels. Sky fail to innovate to counter this threat. Sky dabbles in Fanpass sport streaming service, before hiking the price to $99 per month and proclaiming they tried but the NZ public are just not interested.

Whilst Sky was a very convenient all in one service, they eventually lose customers from their expensive package model, requiring ‘base package’ purchase before sports can be added, and charging extra for 1080p ‘HD’ like it’s still 2012. This means sky holding all rights is no longer sustainable. Sky monopoly fails and they find it harder to hold onto all sports rights, so offloads the minority events.

Rrights purchased by multiple parties, requiring viewers to subscribe to multiple platforms.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2101918 5-Oct-2018 08:46
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tdgeek:

 

Im still shocked.

 

@Ockel your opinion?

 

 

Meh, its just business from what I read.   Sky will have a cost-per-viewing-hour that it works to and given the decline in viewing audience it would have crafted its bid as such.  Clearly it wasnt enough for Liberty (or whoever its agent is).  It seems that it wasnt a bidding war but just didnt meet the price expectations of the vendor.  A bit like SkyUk and the tennis (which Amazon then acquired - with disastrous results for the viewer).  Or like TVNZ with the NFL and Bundesliga (and probably the NBA) - not enough viewers to justify the cost.  Or Sky with the EPL and PGA and Wimbledon and MotoGP (in previous years) and RWC.  It is just content, it changes hands depending on perceived value and vendor expectations.  There is this perception that Sky just hoovers up all the content at whatever the cost but its never been the case - its a portfolio of content properties that change depending on value.

 

It'd be hard to see what value another streaming organisation can add compared to F1TV but stranger things have happened.  Maybe TVNZ would step up to pay for it - it was dumb enough to pay for the Wimbledon rights given most of the audience watched the replays but its clearly worked for TVNZ as it has kept with Wimbledon since.  Maybe a FTA will get replays for the following weekend?  Maybe Sky will have a crack at FormulaE rights?

 

It does open the door for F1TV to be available in this region.  The hardcore viewers will have to subscribe but the casual viewer that has been watching the free replay the next morning on Facebook is unlikely to bother with paying for something they're now accustomed to for free.  Speaks to declining audiences and declining revenues from the NZ marketplace - hardly a blot for Liberty.  Maybe it comes back to Sky like MotoGP or PGA did.  Maybe it comes back as non-exclusive if Liberty decides to pursue the multi-segment model.  Who knows.

 

 


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  # 2101921 5-Oct-2018 08:53
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ockel:

 

tdgeek:

 

Im still shocked.

 

@Ockel your opinion?

 

 

Meh, its just business from what I read.   Sky will have a cost-per-viewing-hour that it works to and given the decline in viewing audience it would have crafted its bid as such.  Clearly it wasnt enough for Liberty (or whoever its agent is).  It seems that it wasnt a bidding war but just didnt meet the price expectations of the vendor.  A bit like SkyUk and the tennis (which Amazon then acquired - with disastrous results for the viewer).  Or like TVNZ with the NFL and Bundesliga (and probably the NBA) - not enough viewers to justify the cost.  Or Sky with the EPL and PGA and Wimbledon and MotoGP (in previous years) and RWC.  It is just content, it changes hands depending on perceived value and vendor expectations.  There is this perception that Sky just hoovers up all the content at whatever the cost but its never been the case - its a portfolio of content properties that change depending on value.

 

It'd be hard to see what value another streaming organisation can add compared to F1TV but stranger things have happened.  Maybe TVNZ would step up to pay for it - it was dumb enough to pay for the Wimbledon rights given most of the audience watched the replays but its clearly worked for TVNZ as it has kept with Wimbledon since.  Maybe a FTA will get replays for the following weekend?  Maybe Sky will have a crack at FormulaE rights?

 

It does open the door for F1TV to be available in this region.  The hardcore viewers will have to subscribe but the casual viewer that has been watching the free replay the next morning on Facebook is unlikely to bother with paying for something they're now accustomed to for free.  Speaks to declining audiences and declining revenues from the NZ marketplace - hardly a blot for Liberty.  Maybe it comes back to Sky like MotoGP or PGA did.  Maybe it comes back as non-exclusive if Liberty decides to pursue the multi-segment model.  Who knows.

 

 

 

 

I thought Wimbledon had an FTA policy.

 

To me it depends if Live and OnDemand, means live and I can also watch the next day OD? Surely it must mean that? Then it just comes down to another sub, as long as its on the platform of my choice, ATV4, then its just another sub.

 

It may well be that sports go this way en masse, so Sky being a sports broadcaster will cease to have a reason to exist, unless they reduce the price as their sports rights costs reduce


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  # 2101923 5-Oct-2018 08:55
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Jaxson:

Rrights purchased by multiple parties, requiring viewers to subscribe to multiple platforms.

 

 

 

I suspect it will be:

 

Rights held by the owner, requiring viewers to subscribe to multiple platforms.


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  # 2101925 5-Oct-2018 09:08
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tdgeek:

 

Jaxson:

Rrights purchased by multiple parties, requiring viewers to subscribe to multiple platforms.

 

 

 

I suspect it will be:

 

Rights held by the owner, requiring viewers to subscribe to multiple platforms.

 

 

Yep but in steps.  For example I suspect that SANZAR will want to replicate what the NRL has done with its rights - sell exclusive broadcast/digital packages in its key markets - and retain the balance as a direct-to-consumer model for the rest of the world.  Over time that'll morph to sell broadcast packages in key markets and have a DTC model for the globe (at a global price) like the NFL.  Surprised that the EPL hasnt already started down this road - the value of broadcast in most markets must be very high but when you consider the "local" popularity of rugby (and American football is a good analogy of this for the US market) compared to the global appeal of football it might not be too surprising.  

 

Anyway - thats waaaaaay offtopic and should be in another thread.


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  # 2102113 5-Oct-2018 13:02
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tdgeek:

 

Jaxson:

Rrights purchased by multiple parties, requiring viewers to subscribe to multiple platforms.

 

 

 

I suspect it will be:

 

Rights held by the owner, requiring viewers to subscribe to multiple platforms.

 

 

 

 

Totally.  It needs a paradigm shift here from sports events having a product they carve up and maximise revenue by selling to different geo locked providers,

 

or they centralise it and supply direct to the end user, cutting out the middle man.

 

or a combo of both, where by Sky can still have the broadcast rights, but they can't lock out streaming as well.

 

 

 

The difference now is there are two viable distribution methods, one fixed broadcast (be that terrestrial or sat) as per old model, and one streaming on demand via the internet.

 

Separate those two out and we could get best of both worlds.

 

 

 

Reality is Sky haven't done much to remain competitive, even if it was convenient to have an all in one supplier.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2102116 5-Oct-2018 13:08
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ockel:

 

Meh, its just business from what I read.   Sky will have a cost-per-viewing-hour that it works to and given the decline in viewing audience it would have crafted its bid as such.  Clearly it wasnt enough for Liberty (or whoever its agent is).  It seems that it wasnt a bidding war but just didnt meet the price expectations of the vendor.  A bit like SkyUk and the tennis (which Amazon then acquired - with disastrous results for the viewer).  Or like TVNZ with the NFL and Bundesliga (and probably the NBA) - not enough viewers to justify the cost.  Or Sky with the EPL and PGA and Wimbledon and MotoGP (in previous years) and RWC.  It is just content, it changes hands depending on perceived value and vendor expectations.  There is this perception that Sky just hoovers up all the content at whatever the cost but its never been the case - its a portfolio of content properties that change depending on value.

 

It'd be hard to see what value another streaming organisation can add compared to F1TV but stranger things have happened.  Maybe TVNZ would step up to pay for it - it was dumb enough to pay for the Wimbledon rights given most of the audience watched the replays but its clearly worked for TVNZ as it has kept with Wimbledon since.  Maybe a FTA will get replays for the following weekend?  Maybe Sky will have a crack at FormulaE rights?

 

It does open the door for F1TV to be available in this region.  The hardcore viewers will have to subscribe but the casual viewer that has been watching the free replay the next morning on Facebook is unlikely to bother with paying for something they're now accustomed to for free.  Speaks to declining audiences and declining revenues from the NZ marketplace - hardly a blot for Liberty.  Maybe it comes back to Sky like MotoGP or PGA did.  Maybe it comes back as non-exclusive if Liberty decides to pursue the multi-segment model.  Who knows.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly.  The timezone has never made this an attractive proposition for any NZ broadcaster, but if Sky aren't chasing it maybe TV1 or 3 could pick it up cheaper now?

 

 

 

As someone who used to travel to the odd F1 race, I'm simply not interested at all with the modern eco friendly approach.  Less noise, poor ability to follow and slipstream, no refuelling, fuel saving/tyre saving limiting 'racing' to a few laps at the start and outside of pitstop windows, pretty much auto everything, I do feel it's lost the appeal somewhat.

 

 

 

I remember a great article about needing to create the opportunity for mistakes to be made, and needing the impact of those mistakes to be big enough to allow for an overtake/have consequences.

 

F1 is going to struggle with it's position as the pinnacle of motor racing/car design etc, as electric cars come in to play, automation removes the need for drivers inputs, and objectives of clean/green/energy saving impact on the core values of racing and skill.  Interesting times for sure.

 

 


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  # 2102550 6-Oct-2018 16:26
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Jaxson:

 

Exactly.  The timezone has never made this an attractive proposition for any NZ broadcaster, but if Sky aren't chasing it maybe TV1 or 3 could pick it up cheaper now?

 

As someone who used to travel to the odd F1 race, I'm simply not interested at all with the modern eco friendly approach.  Less noise, poor ability to follow and slipstream, no refuelling, fuel saving/tyre saving limiting 'racing' to a few laps at the start and outside of pitstop windows, pretty much auto everything, I do feel it's lost the appeal somewhat.

 

I remember a great article about needing to create the opportunity for mistakes to be made, and needing the impact of those mistakes to be big enough to allow for an overtake/have consequences.

 

F1 is going to struggle with it's position as the pinnacle of motor racing/car design etc, as electric cars come in to play, automation removes the need for drivers inputs, and objectives of clean/green/energy saving impact on the core values of racing and skill.  Interesting times for sure.

 

 

FTA F1 was awful. No practice, no qualifying, and if a race overlapped with primetime or the news, it would get bumped back to 11pm (which was the rare handful of Sunday evening races it was possible to watch live without being late for school/work the following day). You can forget the pre-shows and GP3/F2 as well. 

 

I'd like to think it would be different now with Freeview but I still remember what a meal TV3 made of the V8 Supercar coverage. I guess it would fit in with Duke and what they are trying to do, but I don't think TVNZ has the money to throw at it.

 

Let them stream into the market, give us an F1 TV or PS4 app and let us watch in 4K. If we're going to rip the bandaid off, let's do it properly. 


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  # 2102657 6-Oct-2018 20:34
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Hey so anyone see qualifying?!?!?


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  # 2102678 6-Oct-2018 21:01
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Yes, just watched my paused stream, why?


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  # 2102696 6-Oct-2018 21:25
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Well Ferrari have messed up again, both from the strategy and also from Vettel screwing up is clean and clear lap; it was better track conditions than the mercedes pair had to deal with.  Any news on Ric?  He was pee'd off on the paddock interview but RedBull must be causing issues with the Engine due to the packaging... Interesting to see how they adapt to the Honda unit given McLaren size 0 didn't do the PU any favours.

 

So, Hamilton and Bottas to streak off, Max and Kimi to play games and Mr Angry trying to make up from 9th!  Should be fun, atleast over the first few laps. 


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Pretty cool result.

 

 

 

Poor McLaren nursed Honda back into F1 and when they drop them they come right!

Apparently the race tomorrow is all dry.  Would have loved a bit of water to spice it up a bit!




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  # 2102706 6-Oct-2018 21:48
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This weekend is insane with the amount of Motorsport on at the right time for NZ.. Supercars, F1, WRC, Drift GP

What a result for Brendon!

 

 

This is an important weekend for him as a good result will shows hes a driver and that the machine they have given him all year has been a dud


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  # 2102730 6-Oct-2018 23:06
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Benoire:

 

Well Ferrari have messed up again, both from the strategy and also from Vettel screwing up is clean and clear lap; it was better track conditions than the mercedes pair had to deal with.  Any news on Ric?  He was pee'd off on the paddock interview but RedBull must be causing issues with the Engine due to the packaging... Interesting to see how they adapt to the Honda unit given McLaren size 0 didn't do the PU any favours.

 

So, Hamilton and Bottas to streak off, Max and Kimi to play games and Mr Angry trying to make up from 9th!  Should be fun, atleast over the first few laps. 

 

 

Valterri, Lewis is faster than you.

 

Don't think Vettel would be higher than P3 in a perfect Ferrari lap, which is still better than P9.





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