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TeaLeaf
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  #1998831 18-Apr-2018 18:39
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This really is identical to Webber. Except Kimi seems more accommodating. Only room for one number one driver in the world in a team :-)

 

 

 

I kind of went off Vettel due to the Webber days for quite a while, but Im back in the realisation that a german behind a ferrari is something godly.


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  #1998832 18-Apr-2018 18:40

TeaLeaf:

 

sdav:

 

(excluding the years one driver/team completely dominated).

 

 

stop talking about auckland rugby ;-p.

 

 

Ugh, please don't bring up Auckland rugby...


 
 
 
 


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  #1998833 18-Apr-2018 18:41
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sdav:

 

TeaLeaf:

 

sdav:

 

(excluding the years one driver/team completely dominated).

 

 

stop talking about auckland rugby ;-p.

 

 

Ugh, please don't bring up Auckland rugby...

 

 

Even the warriors feels a whole lot nicer at the moment rofl.


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  #1998928 18-Apr-2018 19:45

TeaLeaf:

sdav:


TeaLeaf:


sdav:


(excluding the years one driver/team completely dominated).



stop talking about auckland rugby ;-p.



Ugh, please don't bring up Auckland rugby...



Even the warriors feels a whole lot nicer at the moment rofl.



It does!

I note that a rule change next year is for biometric racing gloves:

The new gloves are designed to improve safety and give medical staff a better picture of a driver's condition after accidents.

A sensor detects the pulse rate and amount of oxygen in the blood, and monitors body temperature.


I guess it’s useful for the doctor to have those vital signs as they are driving to the scene with a few less devices they have to apply. Wonder how they are powered?

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  #1998949 18-Apr-2018 20:14
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I wonder how far the new owners are from deciding on a uniform front and rear wing and diffuser? That would surely be the biggest help for overtaking.
And by uniform I also mean simple and possibly producing less grip and hopefully cleaner air behind the cars.

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  #1999447 19-Apr-2018 18:20

mudguard: I wonder how far the new owners are from deciding on a uniform front and rear wing and diffuser? That would surely be the biggest help for overtaking.
And by uniform I also mean simple and possibly producing less grip and hopefully cleaner air behind the cars.

 

I'm no aerodynamicist as my comments will soon reveal but I don't know why they can't just outlaw appendages/designs that deliberately cause dirty air? I would hate to see F1 become a one-make in terms of some the design aspects but if that's what it takes I wouldn't mind.

 

Funny thing is, all these cost savings measures haven't levelled the field at all. You would think the point of these rules would be to have all 20 cars capable of winning a grand prix but there is still one, two or three teams smashing the others. Let them design and build as they please and make F1 great again!


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  #1999449 19-Apr-2018 18:30
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sdav:

 

Funny thing is, all these cost savings measures haven't levelled the field at all. You would think the point of these rules would be to have all 20 cars capable of winning a grand prix but there is still one, two or three teams smashing the others. Let them design and build as they please and make F1 great again!

 

 

Its never going to work the way they want it to. The whole point for the manufacturers season is to finish #1. Why should that be leveled. Im with you. I love seeing different cars and one year a manufacturer have new tech that makes them jump out for a period of time. All the major guys are capable of putting a car on the podium IMO. The more they strive, the fractions of a second that come off, make a real world difference to the excitement of the sport.


 
 
 
 


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  #1999459 19-Apr-2018 18:57

TeaLeaf:

 

Its never going to work the way they want it to. The whole point for the manufacturers season is to finish #1. Why should that be leveled. Im with you. I love seeing different cars and one year a manufacturer have new tech that makes them jump out for a period of time. All the major guys are capable of putting a car on the podium IMO. The more they strive, the fractions of a second that come off, make a real world difference to the excitement of the sport.

 

 

I know motorsport is expensive but this  is literally the top formula that travels all over the world! The traditional European leg seems about the same but they have more fly away races than ever before with more rounds so... And surely forcing a team to build an engine that doesn't break but is the fastest is hardly a cost saving measure. R&D must be insane...


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  #1999463 19-Apr-2018 19:10
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sdav:

 

I'm no aerodynamicist as my comments will soon reveal but I don't know why they can't just outlaw appendages/designs that deliberately cause dirty air? I would hate to see F1 become a one-make in terms of some the design aspects but if that's what it takes I wouldn't mind.

 

 

 

 

I don't think the appendages are causing the dirty air, I don't think any of the big three (wings and diffuser) are deliberately causing dirty air, it's just a result. If they went to very simple wings and possibly ditched the diffuser it may make it easier to follow ala Indy. But it would slow the cars, but then they could possibly give back a few more cylinders and rpms as a compromise. 


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  #1999487 19-Apr-2018 20:03
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Dirty air is caused by an object moving through the air, ie the car(s) in front. Nothing you can do to the car will change that.

 

Very aero design means that when you have clean air you can go very fast without relying on raw horse power, but when you don't, then you can't go as fast. We are talking about .5s over 2-3kms here. Very small differences.

 

Low hp and non aero design means cars go around very slow. (Well, in the corners anyway).





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  #1999677 20-Apr-2018 08:53
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I seem to recall they used to not have such issues with dirty air, and it used to be they could actually travel in the slipstream of the car in front and actually get a small boost as a result. The commentators still talk about the cars used to be able to sling-shot past the car in front on the straights. Then the aero rules were changed, I think in the early 2000s and limited the size of the rear wing etc. This was an attempt to reduce down force and cornering speeds to make things safer. What actually happened was the teams came up with new shapes and aerodynamic elements which produced the same down force but at a pay off of more drag and the dirty air behind the car. This wasn't much of an issue as the engines produced ample horsepower to not worry about an extra bit of drag on the straights. Certainly if it meant they could keep speeds up a bit more in the twisty cornering sections. I think they need to take a new approach to the aero rules and instead of prescribing limits on size shape etc. Specify maximum down force produced at a given range of speeds and wind direction. This would be easy to test in a wind-tunnel. This would lead to the cars being more efficient in terms of drag and lead to far less dirty air behind the vehicle.

 

 


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  #1999689 20-Apr-2018 09:33
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Bring back old Hockenheim imo. 


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  #1999710 20-Apr-2018 10:17
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Yes the aero is needed for cornering fast, ie keeping up with car on front through corners is affected by dirty air.

In the straights, the car in front's dirty air becomes good air. It's called slipstream, or as the drivers call it, tow. The car in front punches a hole in the air so you have less air resistance and can go a lot faster. Aero stuff produces downforce which actually hinders you going fast in the straights, the drivers call it drag. To counter that they allow drag reduction system to allow you to go faster in the straights.



The overall effect of the current design rules mean, in general, you can go very fast round bends if you're in front, but if you are trying to chase the car in front, you suffer, because car in front has physics advantage. Which means when you get to the straights, you need to some magic DRS to overtake. The catch? only if you're close enough at the end of the bend, you have more battery than them, etc.




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  #1999764 20-Apr-2018 11:50
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Batman:

In the straights, the car in front's dirty air becomes good air. It's called slipstream, or as the drivers call it, tow. The car in front punches a hole in the air so you have less air resistance and can go a lot faster. Aero stuff produces downforce which actually hinders you going fast in the straights, the drivers call it drag. To counter that they allow drag reduction system to allow you to go faster in the straights.

 

Right. But drag and tow are related... the more drag you have, the more tow you give to the car behind, because you're punching a bigger hole in the air. If you reduce your drag with DRS, you reduce the tow given to the following car.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2004453 29-Apr-2018 11:05
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Looks like a fun race. Ferrari ion top, Kimi out of position, Mercedes very good but nor great? As in clearly should both be on 2nd row. Danny Ricc out of position? Hoping no turn 1 incident to rob the race 


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