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  #3059379 5-Apr-2023 14:49
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Nah they definitely have a better allround team than they lost, they lost a few players but none that were doing anything consistently except maybe CHT, but they got some very good halves in reserve, the depth is the key for me. Also you dont want players who committed to play in NZ but when it finally came around they turned their back on the contract and the club. But nobody irreplaceable.

 

In saying that, they have room in the squad for change and or to ask more of one or two players. But essentially near all of them have bought into Webster and a new team, and they have proved to themselves it works and you are never out of a match.

 

Id expect Webby gives it half the year learning that the game is one and lost on defense, errors, penaalties and being able to handle multiple sets (resilience). They have some set plays but largely it is very strong runs from quick forwards. I think in time they will focus on expanding the spine set plays.


 
 
 

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  #3059383 5-Apr-2023 15:02
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Nah they definitely have a better allround team than they lost, they lost a few players but none that were doing anything consistently except maybe CHT, but they got some very good halves in reserve, the depth is the key for me. Also you dont want players who committed to play in NZ but when it finally came around they turned their back on the contract and the club. But nobody irreplaceable.

 

In saying that, they have room in the squad for change and or to ask more of one or two players. But essentially near all of them have bought into Webster and a new team, and they have proved to themselves it works and you are never out of a match.

 

Id expect Webby gives it half the year learning that the game is one and lost on defense, errors, penaalties and being able to handle multiple sets (resilience). They have some set plays but largely it is very strong runs from quick forwards. I think in time they will focus on expanding the spine set plays.

 

 

Nah lol. So the players we lost should have been on the bench and the players today should have played last season? 

 

I disagree on depth. The game style last year and recent years is a world apart form this year, that's the coach. Play solid and reliable, is now play with flair, aka Rugby league

 

Its fine if you complete many sets, not fine when your gain is exceeded by the opponents sets. 4 forward and 5 back

 

Its the coach and the style he has brought, end of story


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  #3059396 5-Apr-2023 15:41
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tdgeek:

 

Its fine if you complete many sets, not fine when your gain is exceeded by the opponents sets. 4 forward and 5 back

 

Its the coach and the style he has brought, end of story

 

 

I didnt reply to the rest as I just dont understand anybody who is watching would largely disagree.

 

Its a bit disrepectful to say it i 100% the coach, you are wrong, nobody in the know is suggesting its all the coach.

 

They worked flappn hard to get a good squad with plenty of depth, players have bought into the coach but hes not asking much yet, hes got them fit. The rest is resilience, never give up and for each other stuff. But they have to execute all that along with playing and delivering a brand of football that reflects that.




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  #3059469 5-Apr-2023 19:01
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TeaLeaf:

 

 

 

I didnt reply to the rest as I just dont understand anybody who is watching would largely disagree.

 

Its a bit disrepectful to say it i 100% the coach, you are wrong, nobody in the know is suggesting its all the coach.

 

They worked flappn hard to get a good squad with plenty of depth, players have bought into the coach but hes not asking much yet, hes got them fit. The rest is resilience, never give up and for each other stuff. But they have to execute all that along with playing and delivering a brand of football that reflects that.

 

 

Wrong. 

 

The game style in the past was a gulf part from now, thats the coach. Why weren't all these depth players playing last year?? Why did we lose better players? Good players go for winning teams, we are a default feeder team

 

You are not IN THE KNOW. You are very biased, if we win we are awesome if we lose here are 14 excuses. You need to look at the trend. We are no good. WE do the same week after week, gain 35m lose 45m. Safe. You dont win by being safe. You win by maximising whats skill we have (which is generally very good) and maximising game strategy (which for us is poor) 

 

Where was the resilience last year and years gone by? Never give up?

 

But they have to execute all that along with playing and delivering a brand of football that reflects that.

 

Exactly. What we don't do. The brand of football has changed. Safe and solid vs use the skill and speed and nous that you have but rarely use. COACH


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  #3059575 5-Apr-2023 23:29
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Sigh, this guy.....

 

You are you toxic when you are wrong. 

 

How the flap do you know who I know? Show some respect to your fellow posters and control the rage.

 

I cant be bothered explaining it to you again and in full, you will just scoff at any idea that is not yours, you havnt done any homework about the massive roster change and why they are playing with so much resilience. Of course coach has had a small change, but returning to see their children is  large reason why guys like SJ are playing much better. But the massive changes in the roster and its depth is largely at play to a well rounded team, the forwards and bench are excellent improvements. You dont need to be in the KNOW to know that.


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  #3059602 6-Apr-2023 07:12
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TeaLeaf:

 

Sigh, this guy.....

 

You are you toxic when you are wrong. 

 

How the flap do you know who I know? Show some respect to your fellow posters and control the rage.

 

I cant be bothered explaining it to you again and in full, you will just scoff at any idea that is not yours, you havnt done any homework about the massive roster change and why they are playing with so much resilience. Of course coach has had a small change, but returning to see their children is  large reason why guys like SJ are playing much better. But the massive changes in the roster and its depth is largely at play to a well rounded team, the forwards and bench are excellent improvements. You dont need to be in the KNOW to know that.

 

 

Thats rubbish sorry and no I'm not angry. You keep saying I am wrong, I have an opinion, but you are always right. you know more than anyone, including coaches and players you are an ultimate couch coach, that is your issue. Your passion is admirable, but my goodness.

 

Ok the coach has been a small change. And the game style now is a gulf apart from previous years and coaches, and with the many top players we have lost, but I guess the new players coach themselves

 

But whatever, no doubt when we next lose you will start the usual blame game, as usual

 

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  #3059672 6-Apr-2023 09:08
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For sure  Coaches ideas have an impact.

 

Its a number of things, including a better roster, playing/living in NZ would be one of the biggest and playing for each other along with Webster focusing them on Resilience pre season.

 

They managed to recruit players use to tougher expectations with lots of experience in resilience, ie Walker. Niukore etc

 

It is a mixture of many things. Is the coach good? I should hope so. Is the roster better than last year? Definitely. Have some players returning home to loved ones, improved their game? For sure. Depth is probably the biggest change. Hard to win without replacing quality with quality. There is probably a list of 8 things that have improved, the coach is clearly one of them.

 

So the change really is a number of things that have come together at same time. The Coach will improve the team throughout the season as he sees things that need improving, no doubt. He already has a team full of professionals who want to be at the club, which is nice to see them voice it after others ran away from their contracts, We certainly got a lot of good players with experience to play week in week out at a high standard and SJ is with his young family again and is smiling and that is showing up on fantasy and dally m points. The outside back defense needs some work, which I hope to see Webster concentrate on over a month or two, although 90% efficiency is already very very high.

 

Its a bit early to be judging them, especially with a very very rough draw after Newc, but I think they have the right type of players to keep them in the hunt each week and winning 50% vs contenders would be good.




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  #3059690 6-Apr-2023 10:25
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Fair points, yes many factors can exist. To me, and just my opinion is that Webster told them to play free, use your skills run the ball etc. The article he stated all of that was supported by SJ who said that's what he and they were told. A new game style. The way the team has been freed up is massive, massively different from the poor and stable boring footy over the last few years and coaches. To me at least the game style has changed hugely, that's the coach. Hard to imagine what they would be like when we had more star players under Webster

 

As to players running away, well probably. If you make a name for yourself and you get noticed by winning teams, of course you will jump. default feeder team, goes nowhere, supplies some good players so they get taken/leave. Maybe a lot less now, it may even go the other way, good players come to us, lets see 


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  #3059699 6-Apr-2023 10:42
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Watched the comeback game last night as missed it in the weekend. Wasn't sure what to expect, maybe a crappy first half then they clawed their way back, but I saw it quite differently, here is my review

 

First Sharks try was our fumble, that happens in sport, second Sharks try was our error, gave them a set restart by the goal line, that happens. Shark's third try they earned. The 20 point lead was IMO overstated, not a true reflection of how both sides played. If you ignore the two try and 12 points gifts we gave early, you could look at 12-0 gift, and the rest was 32-18. They both played running footy, both gave themselves opportunities but Warriors were better at maximising their chances. 

 

  


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  #3059760 6-Apr-2023 14:42
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tdgeek:

 

A new game style. The way the team has been freed up is massive

 

 

Well really the next game we should see if they keep this tight footy or if they given a license to flick it around a bit. 


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  #3059763 6-Apr-2023 14:52
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Yeah. In my view expansive is the option. Not silly expansive but expose the other team, and also yourself. Cream rises type of thing. Naturally you adapt to a different team, but you play to win , not play not to lose

 

SJ needs to shorten his 5th tackle kicks I really hate them

 

     

  1. Long kick great, but they run most of it back
  2. No catcher pressure, so few catcher fumbles
  3. Kick to the posts, another catcher pressure point 

 

All of this was standard fare back in the day


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  #3061753 12-Apr-2023 11:34
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Warriors game was annoying. Didn't pass much didnt offload much, made mistakes near their line. 2nd half came out firing but lost good players due to injury, so basically ran out of talent for the good ones that were left

 

They need to 1. Get back to the recent game style of expansive play  2. Stop making stupid errors NEAR their line.

 

Yes, errors will always happen, but come on.


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  #3064011 15-Apr-2023 19:42
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Another lacklustre game against an average 2023 opposition. Only one team looked keen on scoring, guess who??


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  #3064094 15-Apr-2023 23:44
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Another lacklustre game against an average 2023 opposition. Only one team looked keen on scoring, guess who??

 

 

Cowboys.... I was at tonight's game and have to say, lacked the Mana, only reason we won was because the cowboys were more useless than us.





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  #3064158 16-Apr-2023 08:57
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Cowboys.... I was at tonight's game and have to say, lacked the Mana, only reason we won was because the cowboys were more useless than us.

 

 

Yep, last two games were average 2023 sides, we didnt run the ball as much, offload as much, continued to make errors. Cowboys did all the work and earned points. We just fed off their mistakes. A win is a win, helps the NRL Ladder standings, but when we play higher up teams we will be hammered. Unsure why the flair and enthusiasm has gone


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