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#1992347 9-Apr-2018 20:27

The Warriors have the hardest draw in the comp and Im HAPPY, no easy games.

The teams we only play once are predicted by sportsbet

6th equal, 10th, 12th, 14th equal and 14th equal.

They have come back from the referee 10:1 penalty rubbish and not gotten phased from it, 10-0, won 20-10.

They face adversity head on. They have respect for themselves, and us fans who have invested a lot of money and more so time in 22 years.

Our PF and PA is the highest its been in the history of the club, which shows with only the Dragons having a higher points differential of 90, ours is 50, after 5 games.

The Broncos are no slouch, expected to make the 8, but they are our easier wins, its the following game next week the Dragons which is our Bench mark. We wont get better playing bad teams so no point whinging about the draw, be the best by beating the best.

Last year Kearney focussed on completions, and whilst we lost most of the season we finished 4th in completions. So this year he has allowed them the defence playboook because they earned it. But to learn defense the first thing you need in the NRL is extreme fitness, we talking well above AB level of fitness. Hence why we poached another key to the storm, Alex Corvo the scary fitness and conditioning trainer from the Storm. Now they play a condensed defense, which makes it VERY hard for other teams to score up the middle. BUT when they spread it wide what Im impressed with is how the winger tackles the player but the centre is coming round his back to tackle the overlap, and you dont wanna get Kata up under your ribs, ouchie.

If we make just 7/10 by origin, we only need 3 during origin, 10/13 means we only need 3 from 11 to make the 8. But of course we Aiming MUCH higher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cN6zVtZ_sI&t=863s

Sportsbet had us finishing 3rd at this stage.

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#1992458 10-Apr-2018 06:17

TeaLeaf:

sdav:

I'm interested to see how they go when they have 15-20 mins left and are 2 or 3 tries down. Also interested to see how they do after back to back loses. It will happen at some point and how they respond to that as a team will be interesting.

How about 7 points required with 5 minutes left, score a try and 2 field goals to win the game in the last minute?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj5CUhVVgDg

Actually thats never been a problem for the warriors in the past, they have chased down 4-5 tries in that time, the problem was we also lost more games by losing a 20 point lead in the last 20 minutes than we won with a 20 point lead. Because of our fitness levels and somewhat our talent levels we didnt have many players who could keep tackling for 20 minutes, Mannering clones. Now we have poached Tohu Harris and Green from the storm, along with their Fitness and Conditioning coach Alex Corvo, we have turned that around. We also got other forwards who can play 80 minutes. The rest of our team has lifted, Isaac Luke wasnt worth the money we were paying him, he was pudgy and just didnt have the dummy half runs we saw in his Souths GF best. Now hes back, hes CUT, hes picking the ball up at the play, and either running 10 metres and offloading to johnson or hes running into offside players getting us penalties.

Our problems were simple.

Basical Ball Skills (as pointed out by TDGeek)

Posession (because our ball skills we kept dropping the ball in our own 40)

Defense because we were soooo unfit we couldnt execute the coaches Defense playbook, which is more intricate than it looks.

Rugby League looks like a simple game and in theory it is. The basic is, you hold onto the ball longer than the other team until they make a mistake (Posession or Defense).

The Warriors like the Broncos, Bennett were naturals at scoring, Bellamy was assitant coach during their years of sumpremacy, likewise the Storm had elite offensive machines like Cronk and Slater and Belliamy's under study was Kearney as assitant coach. To complete this triangle of love when we were our very best internationally Kearney had Bennett as an "Advisor".

So someone asked I wonder if other sides will pick up on this FITNESS thing, well they have been for 100 years. The problem for the warriors is their culture, they just couldnt see the problems, the couldnt stick to the plan, when they were up 20 points they would lose because they didnt stick to the plan, or as they call them, Playbooks.

So yes of course other teams in the future will get fit and other teams will slip in fitness. But you have to have an elite conditioning coach firstly. Secondly you have to have a team and COach commited to it, who will sack super stars if they are too princess to complete the conditioning.

To finish it off, we have the right players in the right positions and destructive forwards and a few who can offload causing second phase play, or simply bust through the line (tohu harris). We have two under rated wingers in Ken and Fus, our hooker is making massive metres up the middle and our halves, green, johnson/lino know the offensive set plays and combined with RTS our spine is the best the in the competition and I stand by that statement. I cant remember which game it was, but it was a set play, Luke to Johnson to Green back to RTS at full speed back on the angle cut through the defense like a hot knife on butter and he was untouched leaving the oppositions mouths open.

If we do well this year.

Likely next year Kearney will focus on the Offensive playbook (which is what Cappy is focussing on, along with Stacey Jones who is working on the halves alongside our Cappy for offense).

Oh yeah we have 1 head coach, 3 assitant coaches, that is helping a LOT.

Most of all the culture has changed, that breathing deep huddle after a try from Kieran Reid from the ABs, some might laugh at, but shows the culture change.

Watch the SKy Sports Warriors Preseason documentaries. You will see Mooks is a no BS guy.

The NZ Warriors are now for the first time in history, a complete, PROFESSIONAL football Club.

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#1992460 10-Apr-2018 07:04

This is a good example of natural attacking talent (it also helps being in the top 5 for almost all the stats in the comp).

Cowboys had 95% completion at half time, they finished with 86%. Which is an awesome stat. But they lost.

We completed 80% which is our benchmark, but have a look at the stats for players, and the simple stat that if you only let in 2 tries and score 3, and you kick 2 penalty goals, you are going to win regardless.

Look at our offload stat 14:4 HUGE second phase play. Every time you do that, 8/10 you are getting either broken field play or at minimum an extra 10 metres which is like having a 7 tackle set.

Then look at Effective tackle percentage 92.4% That means you are putting the opposition on their arse, thats very high.

Innecfective tackles Warriors only 4, Cowboys 21.

Just on offloads. People loved the old warriors who would fling the ball out the back and score crazy tries. Thats not what these offloads are. You will rarely see an offload from a player like Tohu Harris that isnt insanely accurate, he just wont throw one if its not on. Thats a huge difference. The other big difference is you can be assured every run Harris makes we have someone backing up for the offload, probably more like 3 because they all want a piece of his pie. Outside offloads, his tackle breaks and stepping is why we paid big bucks for him. And he wanted to return to NZ and be a leader. He doesnt talk much, all his talking is done on the grass, much like mannering, just at a more elite level offensively.

Adam Blair another ex Storm player, 47 tackles.

Ken Maumolo not RTS getting nearly 200m returning the ball.

Fusitua another double in tries, hes now the Comps leading try scorer.

We have 2 big games in a row at home, the Broncos, mostly because they are our biggest rival, then our real test, the current equal leaders with us but a better for and against the Dragons. Really worth the money to go watch.

GET BEHIND THE TEAM, they appreciate home support more than you realise. ESPECIALLY the Dragons game, if we beat the Broncos, we have a chance to be the best by beating the best in St George. A packed Mt Smart against the Dragons is a 6 points Advantage.

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#1992463 10-Apr-2018 07:12

TeaLeaf:

The Warriors have the hardest draw in the comp and Im HAPPY, no easy games.

The teams we only play once are predicted by sportsbet

6th equal, 10th, 12th, 14th equal and 14th equal.

They have come back from the referee 10:1 penalty rubbish and not gotten phased from it, 10-0, won 20-10.

They face adversity head on. They have respect for themselves, and us fans who have invested a lot of money and more so time in 22 years.

Our PF and PA is the highest its been in the history of the club, which shows with only the Dragons having a higher points differential of 90, ours is 50, after 5 games.

The Broncos are no slouch, expected to make the 8, but they are our easier wins, its the following game next week the Dragons which is our Bench mark. We wont get better playing bad teams so no point whinging about the draw, be the best by beating the best.

Last year Kearney focussed on completions, and whilst we lost most of the season we finished 4th in completions. So this year he has allowed them the defence playboook because they earned it. But to learn defense the first thing you need in the NRL is extreme fitness, we talking well above AB level of fitness. Hence why we poached another key to the storm, Alex Corvo the scary fitness and conditioning trainer from the Storm. Now they play a condensed defense, which makes it VERY hard for other teams to score up the middle. BUT when they spread it wide what Im impressed with is how the winger tackles the player but the centre is coming round his back to tackle the overlap, and you dont wanna get Kata up under your ribs, ouchie.

If we make just 7/10 by origin, we only need 3 during origin, 10/13 means we only need 3 from 11 to make the 8. But of course we Aiming MUCH higher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cN6zVtZ_sI&t=863s

Sportsbet had us finishing 3rd at this stage.

No easy games> Most of those so far are lower ranked

Penalty rubbish? The the Warriors issue to resolve not the refs. Avid sports people always blame the ref

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#1992478 10-Apr-2018 08:17

TeaLeaf:

sdav:

are 2 or 3 tries down.

How about 7 points required with 5 minutes left, score a try and 2 field goals to win the game in the last minute?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj5CUhVVgDg

Ahhh thats why! I missed the Canberra game... Awesome!

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#1992614 10-Apr-2018 11:04

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No easy games> Most of those so far are lower ranked

Penalty rubbish? The the Warriors issue to resolve not the refs. Avid sports people always blame the ref

Thats what I said, they are not letting bad penalty counts get to them this year. So they went down 10 points on the back of 11:1 (5 of which if watch the tape were inconsistent rubbish) and a send off, came back to win by 20 including a try with 12 players during the sin bin while he was off the field. From their they controlled the ball with completions and green getting repeat sets.

Of the single games we have this year, according to sports bet only one of those will make the 8. We officially have the hardest draw in the competition. Which I like.

I dont know which teams you think are easy. Souths have their best team since they won the grand final including having Inglis and Sam Burgess. Easts were expected to be the number 1 team and we beat them 30:6, just after the beat the Knights 38:8 who were predicted to be the most improved team and are still expected to make the 8. We beat the Raiders who everybody is expecting to make the 8, admitedly by an amazing 5 minute comback to win by 1 point.

The only lower ranked team would possibly the Titans who are currently ranked 6th.

I think you are either looking at the Ladder as it stand now or have an idea of what clubs are good or not in your head from previous years, not from preseason signings and changes.

That ladder is going to look a lot different by round 15 and I expect every team with have played so far to be in the 8 except maybe the Cowboys.

Thats really selling the warriors short of what they have achieved.

So you must think the Dragons number 1 currently are absolutely crap because they have had Broncos, Sharks, Titans, Knights, Rabbits? All teams currently outside the 8 aside the Knights.

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#1992616 10-Apr-2018 11:06

sdav:

Ahhh thats why! I missed the Canberra game... Awesome!

Yeah awesome sauce huh, to see a warriors team at 75 minutes have the energy to not only score a try, but then steam roll 80 metres twice in a row to nail two drop goals to win it.

Thats NOT the warriors of old. they would have either been choking for oxygen or have given up.

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#1992622 10-Apr-2018 11:17

TeaLeaf:

tdgeek:

No easy games> Most of those so far are lower ranked

Penalty rubbish? The the Warriors issue to resolve not the refs. Avid sports people always blame the ref

Thats what I said, they are not letting bad penalty counts get to them this year. So they went down 10 points on the back of 11:1 (5 of which if watch the tape were inconsistent rubbish) and a send off, came back to win by 20 including a try with 12 players during the sin bin while he was off the field. From their they controlled the ball with completions and green getting repeat sets.

Of the single games we have this year, according to sports bet only one of those will make the 8.

I dont know which teams you think are easy. Souths have their best team since they won the grand final including having Inglis and Sam Burgess. Easts were expected to be the number 1 team and we beat them 30:6, just after the beat the Knights 38:8 who were predicted to be the most improved team and are still expected to make the 8. We beat the Raiders who everybody is expecting to make the 8, admitedly by an amazing 5 minute comback to win by 1 point.

The only lower ranked team would possibly the Titans who are currently ranked 6th.

I think you are either looking at the Ladder as it stand now or have an idea of what clubs are good or not in your head from previous years, not from preseason signings and changes.

That ladder is going to look a lot different by round 15 and I expect every team with have played so far to be in the 8 except maybe the Cowboys.

Thats really selling the warriors short of what they have achieved.

So you must think the Dragons number 1 currently are absolutely crap because they have had Broncos, Sharks, Titans, Knights, Rabbits? All teams currently outside the 8 aside the Knights.

No, you said referee 10:1 penalty rubbish as if its the refs fault, its the players fault actually

Rankings wise I looked at the end of 2017 rankings

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#1992624 10-Apr-2018 11:19

TeaLeaf:

sdav:

Ahhh thats why! I missed the Canberra game... Awesome!

Yeah awesome sauce huh, to see a warriors team at 75 minutes have the energy to not only score a try, but then steam roll 80 metres twice in a row to nail two drop goals to win it.

Thats NOT the warriors of old. they would have either been choking for oxygen or have given up.

Fitness obviously matters but that seems to be the be all and end all of the current team. Kieran Read talked to them, talked about focus, keeping calm, breathing etc, that's the main difference.

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#1992628 10-Apr-2018 11:24

tdgeek:

No, you said referee 10:1 penalty rubbish as if its the refs fault, its the players fault actually

Rankings wise I looked at the end of 2017 rankings

Ok re rankings. Big changes this year, especially teams like the knights and tigers and supposedly souths.

As for the refs. They were over zealous as expected for the first 4-5 rounds, that game they were inconsistent with the teams offside, that happens as they use two refs. But they always have something they say they are going to crack down on, then it fades away. So what I meant is the Warriors didnt get the ball because their primary ref for that half was calling us offside, but if you watch the tape the other primary ref was not blowing the whistle for far worse offsides. Im not blaming the refs, its a fact. What Im saying is its a sign of the attitude of the Warriros this year not to let that get to them and come back and win comfortably, but more impresseively, score with 12 men, then get to the other end of the field and get 3 repeat sets which sucked up the remaining sin bin time.

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#1992637 10-Apr-2018 11:33

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Fitness obviously matters but that seems to be the be all and end all of the current team. Kieran Read talked to them, talked about focus, keeping calm, breathing etc, that's the main difference.

Whilst thats good, I think that has had about 0.5% difference in the clubs turn around. The turn around is the Coach putting his neck on the line last year to change the culture in holding onto the ball not passing it knowing his team wont make the 8, but will turn around Completions.

The Coach teaching a dramatically different style of defense and yes without fitness you cant play that style of defense. The players having a major personal culture change. MAJOR changes in our player roster, letting go of drift wood, employing one of the best forwards in the game, employing other quality forwards who have played at the Storm who know the drill, poaching their fitness coach, poaching their other half back who has swapped positions with Johnson which has been a revelation, putting the 2 correct wingers on the wing, retaining Kata at centre, Isaac Luke taking this season seriously, dramatically improving his dummy half running giving our team a steam role effect, the list goes on.

But the breathing thing, thats not about getting Oxygen etc, Kieran suggested it for recomposing after scoring, so they tried it pre season liked it, and had the balls to do it in front of the opposition Fans, as it is very hippy.

The Warriors had a small issue with failing to complete sets after scoring. Thats all thats about, refocussing. They could have done it a lot of ways, a moment of silence, clenching their index and thumb together lol. But this one works for them. But its not a game changer. Green and RTS talking to the team after they refocus for the next phase of the game is what had changed. In the past they use to just walk back to their spots and not talk.

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#1992638 10-Apr-2018 11:38

TeaLeaf:

tdgeek:

Fitness obviously matters but that seems to be the be all and end all of the current team. Kieran Read talked to them, talked about focus, keeping calm, breathing etc, that's the main difference.

Whilst thats good, I think that has had about 0.5% difference in the clubs turn around. The turn around is the Coach putting his neck on the line last year to change the culture in holding onto the ball not passing it knowing his team wont make the 8, but will turn around Completions.

The Coach teaching a dramatically different style of defense and yes without fitness you cant play that style of defense. The players having a major personal culture change. MAJOR changes in our player roster, letting go of drift wood, employing one of the best forwards in the game, employing other quality forwards who have played at the Storm who know the drill, poaching their fitness coach, poaching their other half back who has swapped positions with Johnson which has been a revelation, putting the 2 correct wingers on the wing, retaining Kata at centre, Isaac Luke taking this season seriously, dramatically improving his dummy half running giving our team a steam role effect, the list goes on.

But the breathing thing, thats not about getting Oxygen etc, Kieran suggested it for recomposing after scoring, so they tried it pre season liked it, and had the balls to do it in front of the opposition Fans, as it is very hippy.

Who said it was an oxygen thing? You say thats worth 0.5% then you say Kieran suggested it for recomposing after scoring, so thats still worth 0.5%?

All that keeps the focus, keeps the blinkers on

Every year there are many things to fix the Warriors, hasn't worked before

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#1992641 10-Apr-2018 11:42

tdgeek:

Who said it was an oxygen thing? You say thats worth 0.5% then you say Kieran suggested it for recomposing after scoring, so thats still worth 0.5%?

All that keeps the focus, keeps the blinkers on

You probably missed the bit I added.

Its not so much what Kieran suggested, but actually talking after scoring, not just walking back to their spots

I wrote

"The Warriors had a small issue with failing to complete sets after scoring. Thats all thats about, refocussing. They could have done it a lot of ways, a moment of silence, clenching their index and thumb together lol. But this one works for them. But its not a game changer. Green and RTS talking to the team after they refocus for the next phase of the game is what has changed. In the past they use to just walk back to their spots and not talk."

No doubt always room for improvement, every bit helps, if they keep improving they will be at a point where they are just winning by second nature due to process.

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#1992645 10-Apr-2018 11:50

TeaLeaf:

tdgeek:

Who said it was an oxygen thing? You say thats worth 0.5% then you say Kieran suggested it for recomposing after scoring, so thats still worth 0.5%?

All that keeps the focus, keeps the blinkers on

You probably missed the bit I added.

Its not so much what Kieran suggested, but actually talking after scoring, not just walking back to their spots

I wrote

"The Warriors had a small issue with failing to complete sets after scoring. Thats all thats about, refocussing. They could have done it a lot of ways, a moment of silence, clenching their index and thumb together lol. But this one works for them. But its not a game changer. Green and RTS talking to the team after they refocus for the next phase of the game is what has changed. In the past they use to just walk back to their spots and not talk."

No doubt always room for improvement, every bit helps, if they keep improving they will be at a point where they are just winning by second nature due to process.

And I said what Kieran Reads input was, refocussing, keeping calm etc, breathing, all related, which adds only 0.5%? It adds everything. They can wear tunnel vision for the game instead of just being there. Any elite sport there is a narrow margin, you can go from hero to average by not playing 100%. Now they have their mind fully on the job instead of losing interest. All the many culture changes have been done before, never worked. It takes effort, not effort most of the time

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#1992646 10-Apr-2018 11:52

Watch this try on the last tackle at 2:24, clinical. Imagine next year when the focus on Offense. Also the one at about 4:20, Fus hang time. Ive seen him hang in the air longer, but Id love to see him dunking B Ball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsXIc60Gr7Y

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