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  # 1992647 10-Apr-2018 11:52
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Include the Kieran Read factors in one word, concentration.




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  # 1992659 10-Apr-2018 12:03
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tdgeek:

 

And I said what Kieran Reads input was, refocussing, keeping calm etc, breathing, all related, which adds only 0.5%?   It adds everything. They can wear tunnel vision for the game instead of just being there. Any elite sport there is a narrow margin, you can go from hero to average by not playing 100%. Now they have their mind fully on the job instead of losing interest. All the many culture changes have been done before, never worked. It takes effort, not effort most of the time

 

 

Its not about Reid, its about them talking before the kick off. Almost all teams just go stand in the kick off position awaiting the ball because they talk after the post try celebrations. The warriors just extend that.

 

You are right, it keeps them focussed. I get your point its everything because it keeps their heads on what they have been training. But I think its impact on their improvement as a team is very minor in comparison to everything else they have done.

 

If it was a big deal, every team that does talk before kick off would have the same success.

 

They would likely be just as successful with out it in all honesty.

 

The reason I personally like it is because it shows they dont care what people think of it. The talking is normal.

 

Every professional player knows not to clock off, this year we have a team of experienced players.

 

If anything it might benefit the younger players.


 
 
 
 




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  # 1992665 10-Apr-2018 12:09
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Include the Kieran Read factors in one word, concentration.

 

 

That was what last year was about from Kearney. He sacraficed a year to have them concentrate on completing their sets of 6.

 

I think you have watched the preseason documentaries. Corvo puts them into a state of fatigue, then makes them repeat basic ball skills under stress and fatigue.

 

Its not really a Reid thing, like I said other clubs do it, its just a benefit especially for the younger players. The reason some clubs dont do it is simply because they are switched on for 80 minutes without reminders. The big factor is the talking, the forwards are in the huddle listening to green and RTS. Thats the important factor.

 

Like I said we probably would be just as successful without talking and walking back to our spots, but I like it, I think its  a good idea to remind the team of what they are trying to achieve, as that changes throughout  a game.




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  # 1992681 10-Apr-2018 12:25
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Things could change dramtically over the coming weeks.

 

Warriors have a hard draw all year, that doesnt change, but the Dragons face us and have another hard 6 weeks after that. They were 7/7 last year, same point in time when they started slipping and slipping.

 

Things could change at the top, Easts dont have it easy either, facing us again, could be the chance for outsider to slip into the top 4. I think my round 10-12 we will have a clearer idea of things. I expect the raiders to win some games, manly would be my pick for making it to the top 4. Not sure about the Storm, after losing training Coach, Tohu Harris and Cooper Cronk, they dont look themselves. But  a very experienced club still.




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  # 1995946 14-Apr-2018 10:52
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Game day boys. With this drizzle Im not sure who it suits but I actually think it slows the Warriors play the ball down more and gives the broncos time to catch their breath. On the flip side Mt Smart is well drained, so if its raining during the game, that could test broncos fitness.

 

Both teams will have a high error count, but Kearney made the warriors play for high completion stats during wet games last year despite the score, so hopefully that sticks and they remember the basics of catching, passing (more important) and how to carry the ball so it doesnt get shouldered free.

 

Warriors have hit Sowards number powerade position, this is based on stats.

 

I was thinking about why the Dragons look so good on the for and against. Then I looked at the draw. They have played 1 expected top 8 team, Rabbits, who at this point were totally unfit and looked disinterested in their first game, but last weak totally destroyed the expected #2 Roosters 26-14 (4 tries vs 2).

 

Its a bizarre season as the Roosters touched up number 8 Knights 38-8 before Warriors vs Roosters which we won 36-12.

 

And then last week the roosters lost to the Rabbits 26-14

 

Anyway back to the Dragons who are number 1 after beating the Sharks for the 2nd time in 3 matches 40-10, first game was 20-16. Unfortunately the sharks were expected to go well but suffered decimating injuries last night. Paul Gallen, Wade Graham, Andrew Fifita and Luke Lewis, their highest paid (and best) forwards in one game. Just like the Panthers though, this is unlikely to help the Warriors as we only play them once and its 11 games away. Most should be back by then.

 

Back to the Dragons draw, they have only played 1 expected top 8 team, the Rabbits, who we beat round 1 and they also just best 16-12.

 

The main reason they have such a huge for and against is off the back of non top 8 teams, Sharks (twice) and Knights. But they did smash Titans at home 8-54. But the Titans whilst still in the 8 havnt hit their stride yet.

 

Dragons vs Broncos 34-12

 

Dragons vs Sharks 16-20

 

Dragons vs Titans 54-8

 

Dragons vs Knights 30-12

 

Dragons vs Rabbits 16-12

 

There is no EASY draw in this comp, but there sure are hard ones. There are 24 rounds, 16 teams, you play each team 1.5 times. Of the teams the warriors play just once only 1 is not expected to make the 8 (6th).

But Im happy we have the hardest draw Ive ever seen, it means we consistently play to a high level. And Im so happy the stats looks passed For and Against in deciding the team rankings as they stand. You cant rank many teams this early, you should be able to say the Dragons are a top 4 side, but last year they won their first 7 in a row and missed the 8. Perhaps our first game against them barring injuries could be the catalyst for it happening again.

The Storm are hitting their straps now, as are manly who have a better for and against than the 4th placed tigers.

 

The Knights are kidding themselves, -66 and to play 4th placed Tigers this weekend. The Titans also at -33 are look like pretenders, but since their touch up by the Dragons have beaten the Broncos at home and Manly away, so this weeks game against the Panthers is huge, even without what some consider the best 7 in the game in Nathan Cleary the Panthers are still a very good team so should be a good test.

 

I think by round 10 we will have a clearer idea of the bottom 4 of the top 8.

 

So far I have Warriors, Dragons, Roosters, Storm and maybe Souths. In fact the 8 looks fairly accurate to my top 8, except I think Manly will push for a top 4 position and the Titans will drop out of the 8 like the knights. Some will argue a case for the Broncos, my issue is they are not delivering on expectation already and SoO will just compound that, leaving them a final 10 draw needing something like 8 or 9/10 to make the 8.

 

Thats why winning your first month is so important. The more the warriors can win over the next 9 rounds, the easier it will be to make the 8, in fact we only need 8/9 to already make it. Something we have never had the pleasure of, hence being a winning record.

 

But the Broncos will come at us 120% tonight. They are in desperation for a win. If we lose tonight, we have the Dragons, Storm, Tigers, Roosters. If we can win 2/4  of those id be happy, that will leave us 7/10. Needing 6/14 to make the 8 with no players expected to make SoO, although there is some talk Blake Green might get the call up to make SoO, that would be funny at age 31, has the best year of his career at the warriors. If so Im not too concerned as Lino proved he is capable in our biggest win, against the Roosters.

 

But a win tonight, really will make things oh so much easier.


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  # 1996271 15-Apr-2018 08:56
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Bugger.

 

A disappointing game. As half time I wasnt worried, but like the first half they played good solid league with little flair, that continued in the second half. They got run over metres wise, and in the last 10 they upped the game, but too late, They should have been at that level from the first kickoff. They got a try, looked likely but the clock ran out. You get that when you start playing hard at 70 minutes in.

 

Completion was I think 84, that may indicate safe and steady. They didnt show much flair, also indicates safe and steady. Given the Warriors great defence how could the other team run so many meters further? Maybe they got out thought, or maybe just outplayed.

 

If they beat the Dragons, put it down to just one of the games, although it was clear they decided to, or could not play hard and with flair. If they lose in a close match against the Dragons, a good result. If they get hammered, then, it would appear the brain is getting in the way, perhaps playing not to lose instead of to win? 5 plays with flair may cost a lost ball, turnover, but it gets tries, and you get more on the scoreboard than you lose. 


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  # 1996346 15-Apr-2018 10:28
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Do you think they worried about getting penalized for holding on and/or coming up too fast? They seemed to be very sluggish on defense in comparison to the Broncos, and there were a lot of easy meters made around the ruck. It wasn't terrible by any means. 

 

How they respond next week will be interesting. 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1996431 15-Apr-2018 12:36
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wratterus:

 

Do you think they worried about getting penalized for holding on and/or coming up too fast? They seemed to be very sluggish on defense in comparison to the Broncos, and there were a lot of easy meters made around the ruck. It wasn't terrible by any means. 

 

How they respond next week will be interesting. 

 

 

Quite possibly, maybe they were too cautious. They werent terrible, but solid and steady doesnt cut it. 




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  # 1996991 16-Apr-2018 13:06
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wratterus:

 

Do you think they worried about getting penalized for holding on and/or coming up too fast? They seemed to be very sluggish on defense in comparison to the Broncos, and there were a lot of easy meters made around the ruck. It wasn't terrible by any means. 

 

How they respond next week will be interesting. 

 



 

They defend how bennett taught bellamy and bellamy taught kearney. If you watch Storm games one thing you will know is they hold the players down as long as possible, you may have heard of the chicken wing tackle that the storm got in trouble for. They have a wrestling coach. Basically you imobolise the offensive player until you see your defense is in line. But they count because they know how long the refs count for.

 

I just had the feeling we would lose. Broncos desperate to win before SoO starts, down on players, WB being the best coach in the game at getting water from a stone.

 

We were just very flat. Luke didnt run his dummy half runs that either end up in a penalty for us or he passes and that gives us second phase play. Very few offloads, again gives second phase play. We are still well out in front in Offloads stats, but the panthers gained 16 on us so shows you how important its been to our game. But unlike the old warriors they have been controlled offloads. Players like Harris, he costs so much because he is an 80 minute forward who has a mean step and line break count and very high offload count. Partly what the storm are missing along with Cronk leaving.

 

Id the Broncos control of the game and very high completion rate, along with us defending poorly at the start and then not having much on offense is what lost it. That first try, watch the replay, Johnson stands and watches, the other player gets palmed off, then RTS tackles him, but he bounces over the line.

 

We just looked complacent. Im hoping the Dragons who havnt had as hard a run so far are feeling complacent and Kearney puts the hurt on the players.

 

But we will lose games this year, its the hardest draw Ive seen ever for any team, no exageration. But if you are playing top 8 teams every week and you can win, thats going to have you in a very good placing come finals. The Dragons have 3 top 8 teams next four games, we have 4 then finally the eels.

Stats wise we could easily argue overall to be the best team, but what matters is winning games. Not points either. We wont get the for and against some teams will if we are playing tight games week in week out.

We just need to make sure we win minimum 50% of our games form here and we will make the finals. But Im hoping by round 16 (end of origin) we will be 12/16, which means we only need 1/8 to make the finals. If we do better than that, I can see us having a chance of winning a GF, given our draw this year. But too early to say.

 

One thing for sure whether we make the 8 or not we are much better than last year. We were placed 2nd to win the GF but thats dropped after one loss. The Roosters are currently favourites at Sports Bet, ahead of the Dragons, and the Storm after them. 6 games in is only 1/4 the way there, so if we win 4 from the next 6 we are in an amazing position to make the 8.


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  # 1997564 17-Apr-2018 09:36
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Ruh Roh! Warriors are back to their bumbling ways. I guess fans can be grateful they kept it together this long. 

 

They obviously have the ability. Is the coach able to reset them? They have fallen back into old patterns of poor defence. Was sitting in a bar in CHCH with lots of Warriors fans and a couple of hard core league fans. One guy said it looked like a replay of a game last years matches. 

 

If their shoulders drop and they lose belief, any games they win from here on in will be good luck poor defense from the other team. They have shown they can play with the big boys, it's whether they can reset to what was working.

 

 

 

 

 

 




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  # 1998840 18-Apr-2018 18:48
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With the next 4 games, I can see us beating the dragons but everyone has the dragons winning. But Ill be happy if we end up 7/10 which will be 2/4.

 

Sportsbet still have the Roosters hot favs to win the comp at $5.50, storm are $7 i think. We are all way back at $11. But hey its better than our old $24 lol. Dragons are at $7, but if they start to lose that will slide, much like they did from 7/7 last year. Panthers are up there. I personal fancy the tigers a bit as the dark tiger.




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  # 2000029 20-Apr-2018 20:59
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Feeling a bit Nostradamous like right now.

 

 

 

But

 

 

 

We missing some big players now. Harris and Pulu especially.

 

 

 

Lino doing what it he did in the dragons game, controlling like the pro he is, so much experience at this position.

 

If only we could find another position for SJ. Somewhere it doesnt matter if he doesnt turn up. Only weak spots right now he could fill would be centre. He does have a mean tackle, and centres are there to find space.


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  # 2000073 20-Apr-2018 23:35
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Unfortunately Johnson only gets into two tackles per game, at least then the centres can shift the ball out wide early in the piece with him there! :P




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  # 2000104 21-Apr-2018 07:49
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Wasnt able to see the game due to family commitments, but wow. it does show that to win they need to be fully committed and from what I read that was key, nothing else was of any outstanding note according to Kearney. Last week, the issue is now clearly that they lost focus. Like any elite sport, drop a few percent and your out. Lesson learned, better now than at the pointy end of the comp


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Ruh Roh! Warriors are back to their bumbling ways. I guess fans can be grateful they kept it together this long. 

 

They obviously have the ability. Is the coach able to reset them? They have fallen back into old patterns of poor defence. Was sitting in a bar in CHCH with lots of Warriors fans and a couple of hard core league fans. One guy said it looked like a replay of a game last years matches. 

 

If their shoulders drop and they lose belief, any games they win from here on in will be good luck poor defense from the other team. They have shown they can play with the big boys, it's whether they can reset to what was working.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A bit harsh, but generally correct. Its about intensity and focus. We have always seen the AB's take time away, run the ball etc, Warriors have been playing that type of game, but last week all they did was play solid safe league. Probably not helped by a faltering Broncos who just threw the kitchen sink at them. From what I gather from last night game which I couldn't watch, they had the intensity, so as it was the Dragon's, maybe they can add belief. Winning 5 in a row doesnt give belief, and it may have added complacency. IMO, and as a long retired Warriors fan...... this time they seem to have all the ingredients, and the last two games are a lesson well learned.


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