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  Reply # 1997234 16-Apr-2018 18:51
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Not too fussed about sport in 4k personally, I'd take a high bitrate 1080p 50/60fps stream over 4k 30/25






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  Reply # 1997239 16-Apr-2018 19:06
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vulcannz:

 

Will they do a good job and use a big CDN, or will they try and fudge it with a DIY job?

 

 

Lightbox is hosted on Akamai, probably this will be too?


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  Reply # 1997249 16-Apr-2018 19:25
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vexxxboy:

 

sorry but who is this Tech expert and what is he talking about , he thought $400 would be a fair price to watch the world cupsurprised

 

 

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12033421

 

 

For someone who has been in the NZ IT world forever, I wonder who signs the paycheck


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  Reply # 1997251 16-Apr-2018 19:33
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old3eyes:

 

tdgeek:

 

old3eyes:

 

Que the outrage from the Sky  fans now. 

 

 

Why is that?? Because you hate Sky? If there was an outrage that's perfectly fine, as if its ok for Sky haters to outrage, its ok for the opposite.

 

I have Sky, I'm not bothered.

 

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In fact I wonder how much outrage there will be from FTA fans? In these days of I want everything for free, with no ads

 

 

You took the bait great as you are one of the biggest Sky fans here..

 

 

Rubbish with a capital R. You clearly do not read my posts. I dont post Sky hate posts with coloured glasses, nor do I post Sky love post with coloured glasses. Its all numbers, not emotion, at least from the objective side. Did I fall for it? No, you did. Feel very free to debate as I know the numbers I could not care less about Sky, I care about reality. 


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  Reply # 1997276 16-Apr-2018 20:21
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Im willing to pay,

 

 

 

but I want 4K , its 2018/9 for gods sake.

 

 

 

-Steve.





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  Reply # 1997282 16-Apr-2018 20:29
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1080p or better and a decent frame rate. I'd pay, but how much, not sure.
As is generally the case, what I think might be reasonable, won't be reality.

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  Reply # 1997287 16-Apr-2018 20:36
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NzBeagle: 1080p or better and a decent frame rate. I'd pay, but how much, not sure.
As is generally the case, what I think might be reasonable, won't be reality.

 

I feel you nailed it. Some might put up with paying $25, others might get the cheque book out at $250. Somewhere, across the lower income people, the high income people, and the average people, is a magic number that will gross the most. An article asked if pubs will have access, maybe they wont.

 

So, there will be an all up price, maybe a weekly, maybe a match price. I'm sure many will complain. If Sky had it, many will complain. If the Pope and the Queen had a joint venture, many will complain (but be nice about it) Sport costs. The conduit is just that; Sky, Spark, Pope-Queen Inc. are just the conduit


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  Reply # 1997330 16-Apr-2018 22:13
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tdgeek:

 

NzBeagle: 1080p or better and a decent frame rate. I'd pay, but how much, not sure.
As is generally the case, what I think might be reasonable, won't be reality.

 

I feel you nailed it. Some might put up with paying $25, others might get the cheque book out at $250. Somewhere, across the lower income people, the high income people, and the average people, is a magic number that will gross the most. An article asked if pubs will have access, maybe they wont.

 

So, there will be an all up price, maybe a weekly, maybe a match price. I'm sure many will complain. If Sky had it, many will complain. If the Pope and the Queen had a joint venture, many will complain (but be nice about it) Sport costs. The conduit is just that; Sky, Spark, Pope-Queen Inc. are just the conduit

 

 

At a guess I would say the pricing for the tournament pass could be quite low to encourage uptake and I'm picking the other options will be a finals pass and individual match passes.

 

I'm picking they will make up most of the money with people buying a finals pass or one-off AB's matches for the quarters and semis. It's highly likely either the quarters or semis (some or all the matches) will not be FTA (to benefit Spark) and TVNZ will hope the AB's get to the final! Having said that, even if the AB's get knocked out by France in the quarters, the final should still be a nice little earner as opposed to the quarters/semis.

 

IMO I think it is going to go horribly wrong or just OK. People will complain about this no matter how Spark/TVNZ manage it. There are just too many people who don't understand how streaming works or will find setting this up too hard. They like to pay Sky for all sport in a box with one remote. Hopefully this tournament changes that although I doubt it will...


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  Reply # 1997337 16-Apr-2018 22:48
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sdav:

 

tdgeek:

 

NzBeagle: 1080p or better and a decent frame rate. I'd pay, but how much, not sure.
As is generally the case, what I think might be reasonable, won't be reality.

 

I feel you nailed it. Some might put up with paying $25, others might get the cheque book out at $250. Somewhere, across the lower income people, the high income people, and the average people, is a magic number that will gross the most. An article asked if pubs will have access, maybe they wont.

 

So, there will be an all up price, maybe a weekly, maybe a match price. I'm sure many will complain. If Sky had it, many will complain. If the Pope and the Queen had a joint venture, many will complain (but be nice about it) Sport costs. The conduit is just that; Sky, Spark, Pope-Queen Inc. are just the conduit

 

 

At a guess I would say the pricing for the tournament pass could be quite low to encourage uptake and I'm picking the other options will be a finals pass and individual match passes.

 

I'm picking they will make up most of the money with people buying a finals pass or one-off AB's matches for the quarters and semis. It's highly likely either the quarters or semis (some or all the matches) will not be FTA (to benefit Spark) and TVNZ will hope the AB's get to the final! Having said that, even if the AB's get knocked out by France in the quarters, the final should still be a nice little earner as opposed to the quarters/semis.

 

IMO I think it is going to go horribly wrong or just OK. People will complain about this no matter how Spark/TVNZ manage it. There are just too many people who don't understand how streaming works or will find setting this up too hard. They like to pay Sky for all sport in a box with one remote. Hopefully this tournament changes that although I doubt it will...

 

 

I feel that non streaming people will be fine, plenty of time to get that sorted, even if it was just for the RWC.

 

Pass wise, need to think whats best value, not for the viewers. To increase the ARPU, the tourney pass must dominate, so the week or match passes wont be cheap. Plus the tourney pass avoids dropoff if the AB's falter. 

 

Someone mentioned the end of Sky. RWC makes zero difference. It will be a nice earner for Sky. What would make a difference is if RWC goes well, and they pick up Black Caps, or a couple of smaller but nice sports. And begin a mini Sky Sports exercise. 


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  Reply # 1997339 16-Apr-2018 23:11
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I hope people finally realise that paying potentially $100 to stream all 2019 RWC games live on Spark vs $54.81 a month for a full Sky Sports package which includes a lot more sports than just RWC if they had won the rights, means that Sky isn't exactly "price-rorting".

 

Just imagine if the ABs got knocked out in pool stages..





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  Reply # 1997342 16-Apr-2018 23:18
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sonyxperiageek:

 

I hope people finally realise that paying potentially $100 to stream all 2019 RWC games live on Spark vs $54.81 a month for a full Sky Sports package which includes a lot more sports than just RWC if they had won the rights, means that Sky isn't exactly "price-rorting".

 

Just imagine if the ABs got knocked out in pool stages..

 

 

One thing I find strange is that Sky Sport has become much more accessible, so there would be many more RWC subscribers coming on board at the $55 price point. I feel this is an exercise, dipping the toes into a potentially active TVNZ/Spark sports service. IMHO the emphasis is not on money its on a good result. If the money side was below expectations, doesnt matter, its a short event. Getting all the rugby is maybe a long term goal. Throw in netball, cricket, and there you go, NZ sports mainly covered.


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  Reply # 1997348 16-Apr-2018 23:43
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stinger:

 

sonyxperiageek:

 

What about utilising the Chorus direct broadcasting service? 

 

Will it be ready by next year?

 

 

Bugger paying $100 for the rights, and then another $100 or so for a STB/Puck device to stream it on your tv, just for Seven AB games.

 

I wonder if Spark have considered partnering with Sky to offer a Pop up channel for the RWC (at the same price point that they will be offering the streaming rights) - much like Sky do with BeIN sports. It'll make sense, those that have Sky will use familiar technology (My Sky etc), and lowers the amount of bandwidth they need to provide.

 

 

 

 

I don't think the rights agreement would let them sublease it to Skys platform. "Spark RWC2019" channel bought to you by SKy and Vodafone?? yeah right. If they did they could make it a huge amount like $250 for subscribers and charge big $ for commercial services like pubs etc.

 

But its more likely Sky will take a pass on it. They would probably prefer the thing to flop like with the soccer and golf

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1997368 17-Apr-2018 07:04
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Apsattv:

 

stinger:

 

sonyxperiageek:

 

What about utilising the Chorus direct broadcasting service? 

 

Will it be ready by next year?

 

 

Bugger paying $100 for the rights, and then another $100 or so for a STB/Puck device to stream it on your tv, just for Seven AB games.

 

I wonder if Spark have considered partnering with Sky to offer a Pop up channel for the RWC (at the same price point that they will be offering the streaming rights) - much like Sky do with BeIN sports. It'll make sense, those that have Sky will use familiar technology (My Sky etc), and lowers the amount of bandwidth they need to provide.

 

 

 

 

I don't think the rights agreement would let them sublease it to Skys platform. "Spark RWC2019" channel bought to you by SKy and Vodafone?? yeah right. If they did they could make it a huge amount like $250 for subscribers and charge big $ for commercial services like pubs etc.

 

But its more likely Sky will take a pass on it. They would probably prefer the thing to flop like with the soccer and golf

 

 

This is an earner for Sky. When they ran the RWC its free. No extra charge to the subscribers. Advertising helps, they pick up a few short term subscribers, but to Sky its a loss. Part of providing a premium sports service. They win financially. Once the final is run, the 6 week tourney is over. Their key is AB's, Super 14 and the Mitre 10 or ITM series.


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  Reply # 1997369 17-Apr-2018 07:04
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Dairyxox:

 

Well I'm chuffed. I'll be buying it, and I would have never purchased Sky's product.

 

It will be interesting to see how this shakes up the market.

 

 

I won't be. I only have so many $$ a month to throw at things and my Spark bill comes first and I still have to pay for Sky. 

 

Unbundling of sports rights will result in a massive loss of value for sports fans who follow more than one sport. This is probably not a road we can come back from once we start to go down it. 


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  Reply # 1997372 17-Apr-2018 07:17
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GV27:

 

Dairyxox:

 

Well I'm chuffed. I'll be buying it, and I would have never purchased Sky's product.

 

It will be interesting to see how this shakes up the market.

 

 

I won't be. I only have so many $$ a month to throw at things and my Spark bill comes first and I still have to pay for Sky. 

 

Unbundling of sports rights will result in a massive loss of value for sports fans who follow more than one sport. This is probably not a road we can come back from once we start to go down it. 

 

 

Agree

 

 

 

Imagine if sport in NZ was split between 4 providers, Sky Spark, and a couple of startups. The single subscription that we now pay Sky, which covers transmission costs, staff costs, profit and so on , now has four lots of these to be covered. The overall costs has to go up. Then these services fail one after the other


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