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  Reply # 2086978 10-Sep-2018 14:51
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What I find baffling is that we are being asked to feel sympathy for a player who pocketed north of $2 million for the game vs the ump who got ~$300....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my view it's irrelevant how much each person is paid. The player/umpire, is either correct or incorrect, consistent or inconsistent. Acting like an adult, or not.

 

What would restore my respect for SW is for her to take a few days, and say that upon reflection and having had a chance to cool down, she unreservedly apologises for her behaviour and accepts responsibility for it. She has failed as a player and role model and will endevour to handle the situation differently. 

 

Fat chance unfortunately.

 

 

 

 

I wondered this as well. Easy to do, get many brownie points back, show you are human. But I feel she will stick with the sexism angle. While I detest sexist behaviour, it does appear to be a tool to get out of the bag and play at times. Given that there is a lot of support for her and against her, she is now stuck as she cannot now undermine what her supporters, many of whom are players and legends have said.

 

 




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  Reply # 2086983 10-Sep-2018 14:57
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I disagree that she can't come out and apologise because of her fans and those that sided with her. It would make her even more amazing in my eyes, to be able to say "Hey, thanks for the support, but the bottom line is, my behaviour didn't meet the standard I expect of myself, and that I want to demonstrate to others. In sport, sometimes things don't go your way, but there is no excuse for this type of behavious. Thank you for your support, I will be trying to be better going forward". 

 

She loses nothing from this, and gains a massive amount of respect. Saying sorry shouldn't diminish a person.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2086988 10-Sep-2018 15:12
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I disagree that she can't come out and apologise because of her fans and those that sided with her. It would make her even more amazing in my eyes, to be able to say "Hey, thanks for the support, but the bottom line is, my behaviour didn't meet the standard I expect of myself, and that I want to demonstrate to others. In sport, sometimes things don't go your way, but there is no excuse for this type of behavious. Thank you for your support, I will be trying to be better going forward". 

 

She loses nothing from this, and gains a massive amount of respect. Saying sorry shouldn't diminish a person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wasn't saying she won't, but she has backed herself into a corner, and my opinion is she probably badly wants to , but I cannot see her doing that. Unless its "I was right with what I said and why, but I may have overreacted a little bit. But I was right and so on" Many of us find it not hard to back down, its a good and right thing to do, but her antics have grown into an A side and B side with the sport.

 

It will blow over, she will take that easy way out I feel, (letting it blow over)  wrong as it is.


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  Reply # 2087046 10-Sep-2018 17:01
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And the umpire in the SW incident has form for being a stickler for the rules with male and female players. He's been offside with Nadal several times. SW has form for abusing officials. Two patterns being followed as far as I can see.


 



William's coach admitted guilt but claimed that the other coach was also doing it.

"It is strange because this chair umpire was the chair umpire for most of the finals of Rafa [Nadal], and Toni [Nadal, Rafael's uncle and former coach] is coaching almost every single point and he never gave a warning, so I don't get it."

I have next to no interest in tennis but is it obvious whether or not a player is even aware of their coach's behaviour?



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  Reply # 2087048 10-Sep-2018 17:05
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I have next to no interest in tennis but is it obvious whether or not a player is even aware of their coach's behaviour?

 

One may wonder, if the player isn't aware, then why would the coach do this? Why would there be a rule to specifically prohibit it?

 

 


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  Reply # 2087051 10-Sep-2018 17:09
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I have next to no interest in tennis but is it obvious whether or not a player is even aware of their coach's behaviour?

 

One my wonder, if the player isn't aware, then why would the coach do this? Why would there be a rule to specifically prohibit it?

 

 

Exactly. Why would the coach bother without having eye contact with the player? Why would he be signing if the player was looking the other way?

 

 


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  Reply # 2087068 10-Sep-2018 17:52
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I hope Niomi Osaka goes on to win more majors because she did not deserve to be in tears at the end of the match - during the presentation ceremony.  I have not seen this only heard about on news reports.


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  Reply # 2087073 10-Sep-2018 18:24
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I hope Niomi Osaka goes on to win more majors because she did not deserve to be in tears at the end of the match - during the presentation ceremony.  I have not seen this only heard about on news reports.

 

 

Who is she? I say with sad sarcasm. I popped to CNN, Sport pages, 6 or 7 articles, about the loser. 

 

Osaka will win more. She hits hard, she plays very very well, and when under the pump, she plays her game, as do the very top echelon of tennis players.

 

Its a great sport. its a solo sport, you can only blame yourself the vast majority of the time. The best players have awesome mental fortitude. And the skill? Amazing


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  Reply # 2087123 10-Sep-2018 19:34
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I am speechless given the many "news" pieces now passing judgement on the umpire being a sexist. I fear his career may be over, and nothing will happen to Serena.


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I'm completely over the victimhood and easily offended culture that has developed. As soon as you dont agree with someone call them sexist, racist, a nazi etc...She broke the rules and was penalised. Crying because a man, in some hypothetical situation, could possibly be treated differently is pathetic. I wonder if she will double down and pull the race card next.

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MileHighKiwi: I'm completely over the victimhood and easily offended culture that has developed. As soon as you dont agree with someone call them sexist, racist, a nazi etc...She broke the rules and was penalised. Crying because a man, in some hypothetical situation, could possibly be treated differently is pathetic. I wonder if she will double down and pull the race card next.

 

It's happened to a cartoonist. Apparently you can only caricature white males.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/tennis/106977417/australian-cartoon-of-serena-williams-us-open-final-meltdown-condemned-as-racist

 

I think the cartoon was spot on. The caricature is instantly recognisable, and I don't see it is applying any negative racial bias. 


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  Reply # 2087300 11-Sep-2018 09:48
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wow it happens! umm ... not surprised unfortunately. PC is very high in Australia, trying to surpass Canada it seems.


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  Reply # 2087338 11-Sep-2018 10:24
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I'm not sure what the conventions for caricature (if any exist) are.

 

The cartoonist seems to have made her lips and mouth very large, which is getting very close to depictions used in deliberately racist cartoons in the past.  The tantrum aspects were very well done and bang on.

 

 





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I'm not sure what the conventions for caricature (if any exist) are.

 

The cartoonist seems to have made her lips and mouth very large, which is getting very close to depictions used in deliberately racist cartoons in the past.  The tantrum aspects were very well done and bang on.

 

 

 

 

Everybody's lips and mouth are very large in all caricature that I have seen!




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  Reply # 2087347 11-Sep-2018 10:39
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MikeAqua:

 

I'm not sure what the conventions for caricature (if any exist) are.

 

The cartoonist seems to have made her lips and mouth very large, which is getting very close to depictions used in deliberately racist cartoons in the past.  The tantrum aspects were very well done and bang on.

 

 

 

 

Everybody's lips and mouth are very large in all caricature that I have seen!

 

 

Same. The idea is you accentuate features which are prominent in the persons real face.


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