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#2257302 13-Jun-2019 11:35

GV27:
Vettel was running low on fuel and Ferrari told him he had to manage it to finish the race, hence why he had to stop eeking out the gap.

That makes sense

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#2257372 13-Jun-2019 12:41

GV27:

Vettel was running low on fuel and Ferrari told him he had to manage it to finish the race, hence why he had to stop eeking out the gap.

So did they send Vettel out with a full (110kg?) load of fuel and he lead-footed it so much it was all used up, but nobody mentioned it to the driver until it was "umm, better go easy on the loud pedal, mate, you'll be outa gas five laps early at this rate"; or did Ferrari make a really, really bad strategy call and send him out with 10kg (or 20kg??) too little?

Either way, really bad race management
"Forsa Ferrari"? :(

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#2257374 13-Jun-2019 12:44

PolicyGuy:

GV27:

Vettel was running low on fuel and Ferrari told him he had to manage it to finish the race, hence why he had to stop eeking out the gap.

So did they send Vettel out with a full (110kg?) load of fuel and he lead-footed it so much it was all used up, but nobody mentioned it to the driver until it was "umm, better go easy on the loud pedal, mate, you'll be outa gas five laps early at this rate"; or did Ferrari make a really, really bad strategy call and send him out with 10kg (or 20kg??) too little?

Either way, really bad race management
"Forsa Ferrari"? :(

I doubt their race modelling takes into account the need to make a five second gap on a technically superior car. I have a suspicion they could have filled the cockpit with fuel as well and still not be able to eek out that gap over Hamilton, who just had to keep up and he won.

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#2257379 13-Jun-2019 13:00

The only way Ferrari is going to beat Merc in a season is if they had a Schumacher or a Hamilton telling them what to do.

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#2257385 13-Jun-2019 13:21

Batman: The only way Ferrari is going to beat Merc in a season is if they had a Schumacher or a Hamilton telling them what to do.

Seriously?

Ferrari had facets that were better than the outright HP advantage of Mercedes. That's why they could compete last year. This year they pull a few more HP, everything is less then Mercedes. Their perfect circuit a few days ago, it still went to a just a few seconds, penalty or no penalty. They are miles behind as the points tally shows

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#2257392 13-Jun-2019 13:31

Batman: The only way Ferrari is going to beat Merc in a season is if they had a Schumacher or a Hamilton telling them what to do.

Hamilton has no clue. Schumy maybe, but to say a driver can decide strategy better than those looking at telemetry all day is quite a stretch. Merc is a long way ahead of Ferrari, strategy can't fix that, only luck can. 2019 will continue as it has been from race 1. Testing turned out to be very wrong

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#2257410 13-Jun-2019 13:59

We've now basically amassed the same number of consecutive wins by a constructor as that often referenced Schumacher dominance (utter boredom) period of 2000 onward.
Unfortunately in this case also there doesn't seem to be any indication that this year will be the end of the Mercedes winning streak.

Personally I don't think any team has come close to the overall package Mercedes have been able to present.
Even when Ferrari have looked like they might be competitive, they haven't been able to sustain this over the entire season, be that hardware competitiveness and reliability, driver consistency and effectiveness, or strategy decision making capability. I'm yet to see an overall package Mercedes couldn't counter by just turning the wick up just a bit when required.

I'd love to see the competition be well just that really, more competitive and even across more teams, but right now it's just not. You feel for the teams who go through off season testing with a positive attitude, and positive mental reinforcement that they can fight and will be competitive, and then Mercedes comes out and smashes them all in a race. It's getting well predictable now.

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#2257419 13-Jun-2019 14:13

Very true. Mercedes deserve all the credit. They started the hybrid era 2 secs per lap faster. Last year it was tight, but this year, the rest of the cars faults are sorted, its 9.9/10 for everything now. Ferrari own the HP stakes, but they lose badly on turn in and turn out now.

Had the regs not changed , it might be closer than last year, and that was tight.

But, its a Constructors Championship. Drivers comes second, but not to the fans

I expect 1-2's to dominate

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#2262813 23-Jun-2019 11:50

1-2 For Mercedes, I called it. :-)

Boring race ensues, I hate this track, bring back gravel.

But worth watching McLaren and LeClerc

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#2263009 23-Jun-2019 17:39

Jaxson:

We've now basically amassed the same number of consecutive wins by a constructor as that often referenced Schumacher dominance (utter boredom) period of 2000 onward.
Unfortunately in this case also there doesn't seem to be any indication that this year will be the end of the Mercedes winning streak.

I recall much hand-wringing in the British press about the Schumacher era about how it was bad for the sport and the constant flood of rule changes, tyre suppliers, refueling changes and points structure changes to try and 'level the field'.

The same people seem pretty happy when it's Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes winning constantly in 1 - 2s. I wonder why that might be?

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#2263038 23-Jun-2019 18:45

GV27:

Jaxson:

We've now basically amassed the same number of consecutive wins by a constructor as that often referenced Schumacher dominance (utter boredom) period of 2000 onward.
Unfortunately in this case also there doesn't seem to be any indication that this year will be the end of the Mercedes winning streak.

I recall much hand-wringing in the British press about the Schumacher era about how it was bad for the sport and the constant flood of rule changes, tyre suppliers, refueling changes and points structure changes to try and 'level the field'.

The same people seem pretty happy when it's Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes winning constantly in 1 - 2s. I wonder why that might be?

I cant recall that period. I fell asleep . Thats true!! More than a few times. Back then it was red runs away, end of story.

I would love to bag F1. I watch MotoGP which is Moto3, Moto2 and MotoGP races. 3 Races at 40 minutes each, 3 classes. Or F3 or F2. Far better racing than F1. FAR BETTER. BUT F1 is a constructors championship.Mercedes is the best constructor, so there is nothing to argue. I love F1, I rate the commentary more than the race.

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#2263135 24-Jun-2019 06:50

1st 3-4 to the 1st corner, 1st 3-4 at the chequered flag

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#2263160 24-Jun-2019 08:34

Batman:

1st 3-4 to the 1st corner, 1st 3-4 at the chequered flag

Yep, pretty exciting stuff. You never know how it's going to go...

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#2263468 24-Jun-2019 15:11

That race was a bit of a yawn fest.

Poor old Norris, loosing hydraulic pressure in the last few laps was the most interesting part.

Good to see Mclaren's in top ten.

Also disappointing Gasly hasn't found any real form, I liked him at Torrorosso, he'll get the chop chop by summer break if results don't pick up. Rumor is Hulkenberg will take his seat.

As Hartley found out Redbull has zero patience for average performance.

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#2263604 24-Jun-2019 19:47

Batman:

1st 3-4 to the 1st corner, 1st 3-4 at the chequered flag

At one point there were 5 teams line astern, 5 pairs. Looking for 6 with the Hulk. Got some action halfway through last lap!

The only race to watch is McLaren vs Renault.

The top three are well spaced. Bottas will be muffled, but hey, that's their team.

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