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Reply # 2176404 11-Feb-2019 13:23

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Benoire:

It seems like it will be similar to the other internet distributed sports; poor usability. Netflix et al. have got around this by thumbnails and can generate them prior to release but live sport doesn't have that benefit as its live and you need to keep the data flowing. Meh I was happy with DVB-T/S as it offers a good picture with advantages of local recording etc. for skipping around easily, but to be honest I'm not a fan of internet distributed TV content anyway.

Here's a radical idea. How about waiting until you can try the service before deciding how usable it is?

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Reply # 2176406 11-Feb-2019 13:26

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NZ never had FTA F1 as far as I know. So Sky Sports UK had it, and it was also on FTA???? Maybe it was cheap for SS as its already on FTA?

In any case welcome to the real world where we will have to pay for everything.

This internet stuff really helps things progress......

TVNZ used to have the F1 rights up until the 2005 season I believe.

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Reply # 2176411 11-Feb-2019 13:39

Talkiet:

Here's a radical idea. How about waiting until you can try the service before deciding how usable it is?

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I will have to, but my experiences of online fed sport have been soured significantly compared to the years of FTA (DVB-T/2) / Sky (DVB-S2) provisioning from the UK and here. Being able to see what your skipping or rewinding to is critical to know where you are in sport events, especially if you're seeking a particular incident. If its not there, then your blind and your guessing how far back or forwards to go which is not a good usability aspect, that is undeniable. As I said I dislike most online offerings as ffw/rw is not possible due to network latencies above a certain seek speed and skipping with thumbnails is like the poor cousin.

I'm curious as to why we have limited information about the platform? Surely you'd be wanting to shout from the houses how awesome it is prior to the new F1 season? Will there be access to the testing sessions this year or will those be missed too?

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Reply # 2176479 11-Feb-2019 14:27

Varkk:

TVNZ used to have the F1 rights up until the 2005 season I believe.

This. Bob McMurray etc doing the pre race intro was cool, as he still had contacts at McLaren to feed him a bit of local info.
Was free to air on TV1 before being lost to Sky. Have to say if you want to encourage uptake of a sport, letting lots of people see it easily is a good place to start.

Benoire:

I'm curious as to why we have limited information about the platform? Surely you'd be wanting to shout from the houses how awesome it is prior to the new F1 season?

Will there be access to the testing sessions this year or will those be missed too?

Mate it's brand new and doesn't exist in it's final form yet, that might have a lot to do with it?

Agree purchasing the rights to a sport and then not making it available to consumers is a poor move, but at least there is something new on the horizon.

For me it's pricing that will then dictate where I purchase, (eg Kayo sports is a real netflix priced option in this region now), but I'd like to buy local if they make this possible.

F1 has been locked to sky for too long in NZ and I'm personally really happy to see the move.
Sky always annoyed me simply because you had to purchase a base package and then the sports package and then the HD ticket to get decent F1 content in 2018.
Yes you got other sports as well, but it certainly wasn't very flexible in it's package format.

Not sure how those in none internet land get on, as there's no satellite backup now. Satellite was great to spray signal now from above, so it reached all those rural / tricky terrain type locations nicely, and a lot of NZ still doesn't have sufficient internet coverage for this type of sole delivery platform. I always wanted to see broadcast rights issued alongside separate internet based rights, so you could sky satellite if you needed to or direct F1 TV Pro via the internet, which would cater for all.

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Reply # 2176489 11-Feb-2019 14:47

Jaxson:

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For me it's pricing that will then dictate where I purchase, (eg Kayo sports is a real netflix priced option in this region now), but I'd like to buy local if they make this possible.

[snip]

"Kayo is an Australian brand that shows sporting content from all over the world. Due to licensing rights with our global partners, you have to be in Australia to watch sports on Kayo."

In the same way that torrenting movies is a really cheap priced option in this region now.

Cheers - N

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Reply # 2176508 11-Feb-2019 15:11

Talkiet:

Jaxson:

[snip]

For me it's pricing that will then dictate where I purchase, (eg Kayo sports is a real netflix priced option in this region now), but I'd like to buy local if they make this possible.

[snip]

"Kayo is an Australian brand that shows sporting content from all over the world. Due to licensing rights with our global partners, you have to be in Australia to watch sports on Kayo."

In the same way that torrenting movies is a really cheap priced option in this region now.

Cheers - N

Yeah I hear you, but Australia is really in our neighbourhood, so pricing comparisons are innevitable (even if the financial/rights licensing climate is still quite different). I'm not saying the region locking of sports rights is a great thing, far from it, but people aren't stealing the likes of Kayo sports or ESPN+ etc, they're still paying for a service they want, albeit in a different country. I'd much prefer to pay local, like I do with netflix/spotify etc.

If Spark doesn't price right then we're back to a monopoly situation that many of us would like to break away from. I'm hoping that's not the case here though and remain positive.

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Reply # 2176510 11-Feb-2019 15:14

Talkiet:

Jaxson:

[snip]

For me it's pricing that will then dictate where I purchase, (eg Kayo sports is a real netflix priced option in this region now), but I'd like to buy local if they make this possible.

[snip]

"Kayo is an Australian brand that shows sporting content from all over the world. Due to licensing rights with our global partners, you have to be in Australia to watch sports on Kayo."

In the same way that torrenting movies is a really cheap priced option in this region now.

Cheers - N

I'm going to guess that although they've said Netflix type of pricing, this is going to be a premium service to begin with, which will carry a premium price.

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Reply # 2176545 11-Feb-2019 15:40

Jaxson:

Talkiet:

Jaxson:

[snip]

For me it's pricing that will then dictate where I purchase, (eg Kayo sports is a real netflix priced option in this region now), but I'd like to buy local if they make this possible.

[snip]

"Kayo is an Australian brand that shows sporting content from all over the world. Due to licensing rights with our global partners, you have to be in Australia to watch sports on Kayo."

In the same way that torrenting movies is a really cheap priced option in this region now.

Cheers - N

Yeah I hear you, but Australia is really in our neighbourhood, so pricing comparisons are innevitable (even if the financial/rights licensing climate is still quite different). I'm not saying the region locking of sports rights is a great thing, far from it, but people aren't stealing the likes of Kayo sports or ESPN+ etc, they're still paying for a service they want, albeit in a different country. I'd much prefer to pay local, like I do with netflix/spotify etc.

If Spark doesn't price right then we're back to a monopoly situation that many of us would like to break away from. I'm hoping that's not the case here though and remain positive.

When I did my degree, a monopoly isnt defined if the price isn't what you, or me, or anyone sees as ok.

Also, Sky never had a monopoly on F1, or sport, or TV. Too many use that term to indicate personal unhappiness

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Reply # 2176643 11-Feb-2019 17:16

tdgeek:

When I did my degree, a monopoly isnt defined if the price isn't what you, or me, or anyone sees as ok.

Also, Sky never had a monopoly on F1, or sport, or TV. Too many use that term to indicate personal unhappiness

If someone wish's to watch F1 for example, and there is only one company that people can buy off then sounds like a monopoly to me.

They don't have a monopoly on Entertainment in general.

To me buying off an overseas company is the same as parallel importing, completely fair in my opinion, to compare overseas price with NZ price.

Why should someone in NZ be penalized if a local company cannot negotiate as well as an overseas company.

Saying we have a smaller population doesn't wash with me, the charge per potential viewer should be about the same.

It's not the same as torrenting as someone is getting paid, regional rights if enforced is trying to force people to buy off one supplier, if supplier price and service is comparable to others not a problem.

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Reply # 2176662 11-Feb-2019 17:25

tdgeek:

When I did my degree, a monopoly isnt defined if the price isn't what you, or me, or anyone sees as ok.

Also, Sky never had a monopoly on F1, or sport, or TV. Too many use that term to indicate personal unhappiness

Ok let's just replace all references to monopoly in any one of my posts, with only option to view in this country.

I don't want to let a discussion get bogged down on a definition. Sorry if it's the wrong one, please accept my humble apology.

Since F1 when pay to view in NZ, viewers have only ever had one official method to watch in NZ, and via sky that meant one price to get all live sport.
I'm hoping Spark offers a method to get just the content I personally want, at a lower price than sky. That's about the guts of it right there.

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Reply # 2176724 11-Feb-2019 19:36

rugrat:

tdgeek:

When I did my degree, a monopoly isnt defined if the price isn't what you, or me, or anyone sees as ok.

Also, Sky never had a monopoly on F1, or sport, or TV. Too many use that term to indicate personal unhappiness

If someone wish's to watch F1 for example, and there is only one company that people can buy off then sounds like a monopoly to me.

They don't have a monopoly on Entertainment in general.

To me buying off an overseas company is the same as parallel importing, completely fair in my opinion, to compare overseas price with NZ price.

Why should someone in NZ be penalized if a local company cannot negotiate as well as an overseas company.

Saying we have a smaller population doesn't wash with me, the charge per potential viewer should be about the same.

It's not the same as torrenting as someone is getting paid, regional rights if enforced is trying to force people to buy off one supplier, if supplier price and service is comparable to others not a problem.

Monopoly.

No on all counts. A monopoly is when a company controls the product, no one else can enter. We are stuck with one supplier we pay what they say, we are stuck. Sky bought rights to content, anyone could have. They started here as PPV, anyone could have. I could say that if there is a piece of content that is only on one provider, thats a monopoly by your reckoning. But that will apply to every provider.

A cartel is not dissimilar. Two or more companies, competing. They agree illicitly to not fight on price, and they might well, and have agreed to keep prices up, so the public are screwed as there is no competition even though it seems there is. Ask Air new Zealand, they and one or two other airlines were done for cartel behaviour with airfreight.

Back to F1, someone will buy the rights. It might be me, @Talkiet, Sky, Spark, Briscoes, it doesn't really matter. They will pay an amount for the rights and charge us all to view that content. Thats what Netflix et al do.

I know that you can buy a certain brand of toaster at different companies stores, like many items. They dont have the value of F1, soccer, NBL and so on. Its a business.

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Reply # 2176730 11-Feb-2019 19:43

Jaxson:

tdgeek:

When I did my degree, a monopoly isnt defined if the price isn't what you, or me, or anyone sees as ok.

Also, Sky never had a monopoly on F1, or sport, or TV. Too many use that term to indicate personal unhappiness

Ok let's just replace all references to monopoly in any one of my posts, with only option to view in this country.

I don't want to let a discussion get bogged down on a definition. Sorry if it's the wrong one, please accept my humble apology.

Since F1 when pay to view in NZ, viewers have only ever had one official method to watch in NZ, and via sky that meant one price to get all live sport.
I'm hoping Spark offers a method to get just the content I personally want, at a lower price than sky. That's about the guts of it right there.

Agree, that is the guts of it. There is only one supplier. If I want to watch a Netflix original (I hate that false term), I HAVE to subscribe to Netflix, I'm screwed. Its the same everywhere with TV. FTA is also pay TV but via ads. F1 could be bought by TVNZ, but they may not be able to manage the cost of it, with no compensation, i.e. revenue (ads would not cut it)

Whatever happens, Bernie, and new Liberty Media want our money. Sky, and soon to be Spark are just the billing company (almost) for Liberty Media to get our money. If its too much money, it always comes back to the creator. Which is the owner of the sport

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Reply # 2176822 12-Feb-2019 00:46

tdgeek:

Jaxson:

tdgeek:

When I did my degree, a monopoly isnt defined if the price isn't what you, or me, or anyone sees as ok.

Also, Sky never had a monopoly on F1, or sport, or TV. Too many use that term to indicate personal unhappiness

Ok let's just replace all references to monopoly in any one of my posts, with only option to view in this country.

I don't want to let a discussion get bogged down on a definition. Sorry if it's the wrong one, please accept my humble apology.

Since F1 when pay to view in NZ, viewers have only ever had one official method to watch in NZ, and via sky that meant one price to get all live sport.
I'm hoping Spark offers a method to get just the content I personally want, at a lower price than sky. That's about the guts of it right there.

Agree, that is the guts of it. There is only one supplier. If I want to watch a Netflix original (I hate that false term), I HAVE to subscribe to Netflix, I'm screwed. Its the same everywhere with TV. FTA is also pay TV but via ads. F1 could be bought by TVNZ, but they may not be able to manage the cost of it, with no compensation, i.e. revenue (ads would not cut it)

Whatever happens, Bernie, and new Liberty Media want our money. Sky, and soon to be Spark are just the billing company (almost) for Liberty Media to get our money. If its too much money, it always comes back to the creator. Which is the owner of the sport

This - Though as far as I remember old man Bernie hasn't had anything to do with FOM since Liberty took it over?

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Reply # 2176869 12-Feb-2019 08:01

darthmeow:

Whatever happens, Bernie, and new Liberty Media want our money. Sky, and soon to be Spark are just the billing company (almost) for Liberty Media to get our money. If its too much money, it always comes back to the creator. Which is the owner of the sport

This - Though as far as I remember old man Bernie hasn't had anything to do with FOM since Liberty took it over?

Yep, my typo

Bernie, and new Liberty Media want our money. should have been Bernie, and now Liberty Media want our money.

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Reply # 2176980 12-Feb-2019 10:54

Why don't we just go to every race?

The little things make the biggest difference.

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