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geek1 /ɡiːk/ INFORMAL noun  

 

     

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This site must change its name immediately because it's offensive to me.


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This site must change its name immediately because it's offensive to me.

 

 

I am ummm.. Really umm sorry to be laden with such unfortunate news for you @Muppet.

 

 

 

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I disagree with this. There is nothing wrong with Chief. There is nothing wrong with Highlander. The Crusades we're completely different. There emblem and mas it garb is about a terrible chapter in the World history and it is a constant reminder of of what happened.

Change the name and get on with game. It's about healing and not perpetuating division and hate.

 

Actually, you can twist the Chiefs and the Highlanders exactly the way that people are trying to with the Crusaders. Chiefs have slaughtered people, Highlanders were known for cruelty. If there is a Hurricane and it kills people, will the 'canes be needing a name change? 

 

If you try hard enough, you can get offended by anything.

 

Hopefully the hysteria people are feeling now will simmer down slowly as people move through the grief.

 

If public sentiment is still supporting a change in 6 months, then let's talk about it.

 

Otherwise, we are in for a LOT of name changing in New Zealand.

 

 

 

 

You save me posting, you have covered it.  If our ethnic brothers and sisters had an issue with a rugby teams name based on their beliefs, they would have told us in 1996. They did not seem to take offence as they would know its in our rugby context, not any other. We can't let this and other new ideas divide us


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  # 2200879 18-Mar-2019 15:50
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Coil:

 

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It is also very subjective, and some people seem to take offense at everything.

 

 

Right now social media is on fire and people are going to any length they can to get into the lime light and pull on heartstrings. You can literally say anything and someone will be there to read it and or spread it.. 

What do you expect? I also recall my parents always taught me to never make decision based on emotion, cause it gets pretty irrational... 

 

 

What I am seeing, is good people, with good intentions, at each others throats. Choose 5 topics related to Friday and people will be either +1 ing or yelling each other down. Sad thing is they are all on the same side

 

For my contributions to that and there has been some, sorry

 

And sorry @Fred99


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  # 2200883 18-Mar-2019 15:54
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The difference is the Highlanders lost to the English. The Crusades did go to the Middle East and succeed for a time.

 

The issue with the name pops up every couple of years that I have seen, this is the first time it has received any real traction.

 

 

 

 

Attrocities are attrocities surely? Regardless who won.

 

How long must a name be held in infamy?  If it's forever, it should be banned from the English language. These are just names and so long as the people using them aren't currently supporting the actions of the actual original crimes, then surely, it's time to move on and associate positives with it instead. 

 

In my view, if they change the name, then it should be removed from the English language lest someone be offended in the future for other reasons.

 

If the Crusaders change their name, then it should be to "canterbury region super rugby team" and the Highlanders "otago region super rugby team" and so forth. Perhaps we should just called them "SR Team 1, though 14" so it's impossible for people to be offended by the connotations. 

 

I also think, that as much as it annoys me that this is an issue being raised, letting it be raised is not the same as agreeing to do something about it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  # 2200884 18-Mar-2019 15:59
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Coil:

 

mattwnz:

 

It is also very subjective, and some people seem to take offense at everything.

 

 

Right now social media is on fire and people are going to any length they can to get into the lime light and pull on heartstrings. You can literally say anything and someone will be there to read it and or spread it.. 

What do you expect? I also recall my parents always taught me to never make decision based on emotion, cause it gets pretty irrational... 

 

 

What I am seeing, is good people, with good intentions, at each others throats. Choose 5 topics related to Friday and people will be either +1 ing or yelling each other down. Sad thing is they are all on the same side

 

For my contributions to that and there has been some, sorry

 

And sorry @Fred99

 

 

I think I will highlight that there, The last thing I want from Friday is that people are divided in one of the few places we are united. 


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  # 2200888 18-Mar-2019 16:05
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The Highlanders are folks from the Clans originating in highlands of Scotland. Chief is a title as in Chief Clerk, Chief Judge, Village Chief....... The Crusaders are members of a Army created to wage a Holy War and invade a foreign territory namely the territory associated with Islam. If one cannot see the difference which is blatantly obvious then I am lost for words. Also the promotional material etc used by the Canterbury Crusaders all point to the Crusaders of that era and in todays climate it is wholly inappropriate. 





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  # 2200895 18-Mar-2019 16:18
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What I am seeing, is good people, with good intentions, at each others throats. Choose 5 topics related to Friday and people will be either +1 ing or yelling each other down. Sad thing is they are all on the same side

 

For my contributions to that and there has been some, sorry

 

And sorry @Fred99

 

 

It's not just GeekZone either. I've seen this same thing repeated across Facebook, Twitter, Discord, etc.. The whole country feels like it's gone a bit mad, and the really sad part is I suspect that's exactly what that turd wanted.





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In the wake of the atrocities of Friday there needs to be change. Not all of this change is going to be comfortable or sit well with everyone but it's pretty clear that New Zealand has not been the place it purports to be for Muslims. The girls being abused at the train station yesterday shows that.

 

The Crusades were a religous war on Muslims. That is undeniable. The imagery associated with the team is 100% associated with that religous war - swords, horses, chain mail and crosses. You can try and pretend it isn't but what-aboutism and being defensive can't obscure what it is.

 

No one is associating the team with the acts of Friday but it's a fair conversation to ask do we want to have our heros associated with religous wars.

 

The organisation acknowledges that it is a conversation that needs to be had and are handling it in a totally mature and professional way. If you compare them with the attitude of the Washington American football team, which has a name which is grossly offensive to many native americans you can see why they are a great organisation.

 

The Washington Bullets changed their name becasue of gun violence in Washington DC. It's not without precedent and fundamentally it's only a name of a rugby team. It doesn't change who they represent or who the people are. What it does change is saying this isn't who we want to associate with.

 

To ask is that an appropriate name for a sports team is a correct thing to do. Is it a decision to be made today? No.


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  # 2200903 18-Mar-2019 16:31
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chevrolux:

 

Remove the carry on with the crosses, swords, chain-mail and horses. The name can probably stay.

 

 

I'd reluctantly support this. 

 

 

The question I have is why would you be reluctant? The imagery is all about the crusades.

 

The racist scum refer to themselves as Knights Templar. They frequently talk about the crusade against muslims.

 

Why would you want a rugby team associated with that?


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The Highlanders are folks from the Clans originating in highlands of Scotland. Chief is a title as in Chief Clerk, Chief Judge, Village Chief....... The Crusaders are members of a Army created to wage a Holy War and invade a foreign territory namely the territory associated with Islam. If one cannot see the difference which is blatantly obvious then I am lost for words. Also the promotional material etc used by the Canterbury Crusaders all point to the Crusaders of that era and in todays climate it is wholly inappropriate. 

 

 

Looking at the Chiefs logo, it's more Maori Chiefs than Chief Justice.

 

And as in the logo, a weapon (kotiate) is being held, we should change the Chiefs name too.

 

https://www.chiefs.co.nz/about

 

http://maorisource.com/MaoriWeapons.html

 

 


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MikeB4:

 

The Highlanders are folks from the Clans originating in highlands of Scotland. Chief is a title as in Chief Clerk, Chief Judge, Village Chief....... The Crusaders are members of a Army created to wage a Holy War and invade a foreign territory namely the territory associated with Islam. If one cannot see the difference which is blatantly obvious then I am lost for words. Also the promotional material etc used by the Canterbury Crusaders all point to the Crusaders of that era and in todays climate it is wholly inappropriate. 

 

 

Looking at the Chiefs logo, it's more Maori Chiefs than Chief Justice.

 

And as in the logo, a weapon (kotiate) is being held, we should change the Chiefs name too.

 

https://www.chiefs.co.nz/about

 

http://maorisource.com/MaoriWeapons.html

 

 

 

 

No we should not.





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The Highlanders are folks from the Clans originating in highlands of Scotland. Chief is a title as in Chief Clerk, Chief Judge, Village Chief....... The Crusaders are members of a Army created to wage a Holy War and invade a foreign territory namely the territory associated with Islam. If one cannot see the difference which is blatantly obvious then I am lost for words. Also the promotional material etc used by the Canterbury Crusaders all point to the Crusaders of that era and in todays climate it is wholly inappropriate. 

 

 

 

 

you havent heard of the highland clearances in Scotland .





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MikeB4:

 

WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

MikeB4:

 

The Highlanders are folks from the Clans originating in highlands of Scotland. Chief is a title as in Chief Clerk, Chief Judge, Village Chief....... The Crusaders are members of a Army created to wage a Holy War and invade a foreign territory namely the territory associated with Islam. If one cannot see the difference which is blatantly obvious then I am lost for words. Also the promotional material etc used by the Canterbury Crusaders all point to the Crusaders of that era and in todays climate it is wholly inappropriate. 

 

 

Looking at the Chiefs logo, it's more Maori Chiefs than Chief Justice.

 

And as in the logo, a weapon (kotiate) is being held, we should change the Chiefs name too.

 

https://www.chiefs.co.nz/about

 

http://maorisource.com/MaoriWeapons.html

 

 

 

 

No we should not.

 

 

Why not? 

 

If you're campaigning to get the Crusaders to change there name because of something that happened a long time ago, why not change the Chiefs name and logo when that shows a chief/warrior holding a weapon used to cut and divide the liver, a weapon that was used in hand to hand fighting?


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WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

MikeB4:

 

WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

MikeB4:

 

The Highlanders are folks from the Clans originating in highlands of Scotland. Chief is a title as in Chief Clerk, Chief Judge, Village Chief....... The Crusaders are members of a Army created to wage a Holy War and invade a foreign territory namely the territory associated with Islam. If one cannot see the difference which is blatantly obvious then I am lost for words. Also the promotional material etc used by the Canterbury Crusaders all point to the Crusaders of that era and in todays climate it is wholly inappropriate. 

 

 

Looking at the Chiefs logo, it's more Maori Chiefs than Chief Justice.

 

And as in the logo, a weapon (kotiate) is being held, we should change the Chiefs name too.

 

https://www.chiefs.co.nz/about

 

http://maorisource.com/MaoriWeapons.html

 

 

 

 

No we should not.

 

 

Why not? 

 

If you're campaigning to get the Crusaders to change there name because of something that happened a long time ago, why not change the Chiefs name and logo when that shows a chief/warrior holding a weapon used to cut and divide the liver, a weapon that was used in hand to hand fighting?

 

 

1. Read some history

 

2. Read Handle9s posts above

 

3. Join the dots

 

And with that I am out of this discussion and any other discussion. The replies in this thread and a couple of other threads are very disappointing and frankly becoming offensive. 





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