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  Reply # 2201994 19-Mar-2019 20:12
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networkn:

 

I had hoped for a more positive focus to our community, as it was during the quakes where NZ came together as one. It doesn't feel like this, this time it feels like the attacks have caused the division that was likely a hoped upon side effect for the gunman. 

 

 

This is a very different circumstance to the earthquakes. One was a natural disaster the other was a direct attack.

 

"Coming together as one" and holding hands would serve very little purpose other than making some of us feel better about life for a short time.

 

Previously I have personally ignored a ton of low level racism and gun nut stuff on social media because I felt it didn't really affect New Zealand and didn't want the confrontation. This incident has made me reexamine my personal contribution to the problem of extremism. Also this has made me consider how minorities are really treated in New Zealand.

 

We have a saying at work - "The standard you walk past is the standard you set."  The crusader topic is one example of this. It's not the biggest and most important example but equally  symbols do matter. 

 

The biggest mistake we could make in the wake of this act of evil is not to be willing to make personal changes if it can make our society a better place. 

 

Inevitably the pendulum will swing to far one way on some topics, that is how change works. Change never works smoothly or perfectly but shouldn't we be willing to try and not push everything on "someone else"?


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  Reply # 2202103 19-Mar-2019 22:05
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networkn:

 

I agree. 

 

It's become very snippy, personal and attacky, more than usual. I get why to a degree. Tensions are high and people are looking for a channel for their unprocessed and understandably overflowing emotions. I actually think it will get much worse. I'd favour a temporary lock to the politics and off-topic sections of the forums. 

 

I had hoped for a more positive focus to our community, as it was during the quakes where NZ came together as one. It doesn't feel like this, this time it feels like the attacks have caused the division that was likely a hoped upon side effect for the gunman. 

 

I've contributed to that, not intentionally, but I've decided to stop for a bit and take a break.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have no idea why this is. I echo your thoughts. 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2202220 20-Mar-2019 09:08
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Handsomedan:

 

But surely nobody could be offended by The Blues...I mean, it's not even like they're in it for the points. 

 

 

 

 

The Blues - mental health is a very serious topic you know!  Maybe rename them "those in need of our love and support"?

 

Also, hurricanes have been known to kill people, and some may be traumatised by the reminder.  Maybe "The Zephyrs" would be less upsetting?

 

In renaming the Cursaders it needs to be remembered that the team is inclusive of the West Coast and Tasman, so Plainsmen as suggested by the media is out.  Given all the grief down here recently maybe we rename the team "The Afflicted"?  Personally I'd go for the Caped Crusaders, and swap the horses and swords for a batmobile and utility belts!

 

Seriously though, it was an unfortunate original choice of name, but it would be a shame to see the great deeds of the team over the years get smeared or diminished through no fault of the team itself.

 

 




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  Reply # 2202389 20-Mar-2019 13:16
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I'm sure that coming up with a good name wouldn't be too difficult.   Maybe have the public submit names with a lucky draw for a car or something.  Then a committee comprised of reps from the Crusaders team, management, sponsors, & the Moslem community, choose a name, & their decision would be final!  Can't be that hard car manufacturers do it all the time.


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  Reply # 2202396 20-Mar-2019 13:31
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So far no one has given any proof there has been any concern expressed by the Muslim community about the use and the Crusaders name.

All I've seen so far is people jumping to conclusions that there is a problem. It appears to me we are trying to solve a problem that isn't proven to exist.

There are far more important issues that deserve to be fixed first. Things like our gun laws, and properly rescourcing our military, police and inlettigence organisations.




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  Reply # 2202416 20-Mar-2019 13:53
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networkn:

 

I agree. 

 

It's become very snippy, personal and attacky, more than usual. I get why to a degree. Tensions are high and people are looking for a channel for their unprocessed and understandably overflowing emotions. I actually think it will get much worse. I'd favour a temporary lock to the politics and off-topic sections of the forums. 

 

I had hoped for a more positive focus to our community, as it was during the quakes where NZ came together as one. It doesn't feel like this, this time it feels like the attacks have caused the division that was likely a hoped upon side effect for the gunman. 

 

I've contributed to that, not intentionally, but I've decided to stop for a bit and take a break.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have no idea why this is. I echo your thoughts. 

 

 

 

 

I think so too. I am not sure if the media are helping either. They seem to be keeping this as the major news finding every little angle to it and one news even seems to have rebranded themselves as the Christchurch attacks and dedicating entire programs. Personally I have switched off NZ news, I don't think it is healthy to keep hearing and reliving it for peoples mental health. 


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  Reply # 2202680 21-Mar-2019 02:03
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Technofreak: So far no one has given any proof there has been any concern expressed by the Muslim community about the use and the Crusaders name.

All I've seen so far is people jumping to conclusions that there is a problem. It appears to me we are trying to solve a problem that isn't proven to exist.

There are far more important issues that deserve to be fixed first. Things like our gun laws, and properly rescourcing our military, police and inlettigence organisations.


So you missed my post talking about getting Muslim leaders in as they are the ones who can say whether this is an issue. I don't think that crusaders management can fix our gun control laws etc but they can deal with their them name.

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  Reply # 2202682 21-Mar-2019 03:54
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Technofreak: So far no one has given any proof there has been any concern expressed by the Muslim community about the use and the Crusaders name.

All I've seen so far is people jumping to conclusions that there is a problem. It appears to me we are trying to solve a problem that isn't proven to exist.

There are far more important issues that deserve to be fixed first. Things like our gun laws, and properly rescourcing our military, police and inlettigence organisations.


The Crusaders themselves have concluded that it's a topic that needs to be discussed. I find it interesting that they have acknowledged this but a large number of posters are reacting that it shouldn't.

There are certainly other topics to be addressed but why are topics mutually exclusive? Normally you fix the easy problems first because they are easy to fix, you don't need to wait to fix the hard ones.


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  Reply # 2204030 24-Mar-2019 06:08
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LookingUp: Also, hurricanes have been known to kill people, and some may be traumatised by the reminder.  Maybe "The Zephyrs" would be less upsetting?

 

Nope - Holden fans would be outraged.


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  Reply # 2204134 24-Mar-2019 09:54
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Just swap with the Sun Wolves, it’s going spare anyway

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  Reply # 2204514 25-Mar-2019 01:43
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This weeks Short Ball Podcast (Scotty Stevenson and Mills Muliaina) has a really good discussion on the Crusaders name change. I'd thoroughly recommend anyone interested listen to the first 10 minutes or so. 

 

https://rugbypasspodcast.podbean.com/

 

 


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  Reply # 2204557 25-Mar-2019 09:17
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I don't care one way of the other what the name of the Crusaders Rugby team is called. However I hate the distortions and exaggerations around the crusades as the reason for the change. yes it was a bloody time, but the entire region was a bloody time back then, their actions were on apr with the societal actions of the era.  one of the reason the Crusades was initially so successful was that the Arab factions were busy killing each other. 


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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12218936

 

Looks like they are doing away with the horsemen already.

 

Does this mean all existing supporters gear will need to be discarded, as it contains the old imagery? Perhaps a buy back scheme should be implemented.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2210210 3-Apr-2019 16:40
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networkn:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12218936

 

Looks like they are doing away with the horsemen already.

 

Does this mean all existing supporters gear will need to be discarded, as it contains the old imagery? Perhaps a buy back scheme should be implemented.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not just that, they do actually want to change the name. networkn will need to find a new team to support!

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12218936





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  Reply # 2210225 3-Apr-2019 17:29
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I wonder if it will mean that people won't be able to go into the games with the old jerseys and branding? Also are people going to be able to wear the branded gear casually around? Some sort of swapping system where people can swap a jersey could be a good idea and could be good PR for the new brand too.  Interesting that 52% of people polled on the NZH website said that they should remain with the status quo. I am surprised it is that high so soon after the event.


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