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#2210231 3-Apr-2019 17:44

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Not just that, they do actually want to change the name. networkn will need to find a new team to support!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12218936

I can disagree with the need for a name change, believe that if they have to change their names, then so should almost every other team, and still support them if they have a name change.

Nice try though!

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#2210232 3-Apr-2019 17:51

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I wonder if it will mean that people won't be able to go into the games with the old jerseys and branding? Also are people going to be able to wear the branded gear casually around? Some sort of swapping system where people can swap a jersey could be a good idea and could be good PR for the new brand too. Interesting that 52% of people polled on the NZH website said that they should remain with the status quo. I am surprised it is that high so soon after the event.

IF they make a change, and I think at this point there isn't much chance something won't be changed, I'd prefer they keep the name and cut back on some of the imagery.

I have special edition jersies that I love, like the most recent Lions tour jersey. I wore it in the gold coast and got so many positive interactions of it, people calling out of cars "go the 'saders" and "nice jersey" in theme parks etc, that I would be unhappy to not be able to wear it. I am not sure how I'd feel about swapping it either (I have about 4 of them of various ages).

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#2210277 3-Apr-2019 18:07

mattwnz: Interesting that 52% of people polled on the NZH website said that they should remain with the status quo. I am surprised it is that high so soon after the event.

I think the 52% poll result saying keep the name and imagery is pretty telling, with another 16% saying keep the name but drop the imagery. Only 28% want a name change and the imagery dropped.

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#2210279 3-Apr-2019 18:10

Technofreak:
mattwnz: Interesting that 52% of people polled on the NZH website said that they should remain with the status quo. I am surprised it is that high so soon after the event.

I think the 52% poll result saying keep the name and imagery is pretty telling, with another 16% saying keep the name but drop the imagery. Only 28% want a name change and the imagery dropped.

Yeah, to be honest though, I am geniunely surprised that the number to support dropping imagery and name is at 28%. I expected it to be MUCH lower.

I would love to know how the Muslim community honestly feel about it. If they felt it geniunely mattered to them, I guess I'd feel better about doing it.

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#2210361 3-Apr-2019 20:58

networkn:

I would love to know how the Muslim community honestly feel about it. If they felt it geniunely mattered to them, I guess I'd feel better about doing it.

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On a slightly different tack but very much related, the reaction to the wearing of headscarves by New Zealand women as a show of solidarity with Muslim women has been very interesting.

My point, sometimes something done with the very best of intentions can have unintended consequences.

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#2210367 3-Apr-2019 21:03

I was wondering how the Muslim community felt about that as a whole too.

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Technofreak:
networkn:

I would love to know how the Muslim community honestly feel about it. If they felt it geniunely mattered to them, I guess I'd feel better about doing it.

This ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

On a slightly different tack but very much related, the reaction to the wearing of headscarves by New Zealand women as a show of solidarity with Muslim women has been very interesting.

My point, sometimes something done with the very best of intentions can have unintended consequences.

The negative response looks like its from a small minority. Overall, the there has been support from both the Muslim and wider NZ community.

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#2210561 4-Apr-2019 09:38

The 'Muslim community' will probably have a wide range of views on the name change. I bet many dont care, dont follow rugby and some will be opposed to the Crusaders name. It's like the hijab thing, some Muslim women are happy wearing it and some see it as being oppressed.

I think we need to be careful when we look for voices of a 'community' because it's the most vocal who are heard and often that's a minority.

Who do we listen to, a Muslim who says he/she doesnt care or one that says they are offended? I bet we side with the offended, which sums up society these days.

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#2210589 4-Apr-2019 10:21

I dunno, I'm kind of loving the people moaning about PC Crap and snowflakes melting down over the name of a private franchised sports team.

Considering we've almost exclusively catered to knee-jerk reaction boomers who hate any form of change that doesn't personally enrich them, I'm not sure how listening to different viewpoints from a community "sums up society" at all.

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#2210641 4-Apr-2019 11:24

GV27:

I dunno, I'm kind of loving the people moaning about PC Crap and snowflakes melting down over the name of a private franchised sports team.

Considering we've almost exclusively catered to knee-jerk reaction boomers who hate any form of change that doesn't personally enrich them, I'm not sure how listening to different viewpoints from a community "sums up society" at all.

Wow.

What a thoughtful, enlightening post you've made. Not!!!

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#2210689 4-Apr-2019 12:38

Technofreak:

GV27:

I dunno, I'm kind of loving the people moaning about PC Crap and snowflakes melting down over the name of a private franchised sports team.

Considering we've almost exclusively catered to knee-jerk reaction boomers who hate any form of change that doesn't personally enrich them, I'm not sure how listening to different viewpoints from a community "sums up society" at all.

Wow.

What a thoughtful, enlightening post you've made. Not!!!

I didn't realise this was salty boomer Facebook, where repeating Mike Hosking talking points and using excessive exclamation marks makes your point more credible.

But thanks for apparently taking the high ground.

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#2210708 4-Apr-2019 13:07

Lets change the philosophy behind the Crusaders rugby team. Come out with something like "We are stand for a Crusade against Hate, Violence and Discrimination. Our team management players and supporters are all behind this Crusade."

Is the next step to remove the word from dictionaries? Many of us have been on crusades of different types. Not all Crusades are about what happened in past which we all agree was quite shocking. Many of our immigrants have come on a crusade to start a better life. Getting rid of the horse and knights display is a good move in my opinion.

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#2210717 4-Apr-2019 13:24

gulfa:

Lets change the philosophy behind the Crusaders rugby team. Come out with something like "We are stand for a Crusade against Hate, Violence and Discrimination. Our team management players and supporters are all behind this Crusade."

Hmmm...

Lets change the name of the Crusaders rugby team. Come out with something like "We are stand for a Holocaust against Hate, Violence and Discrimination. Our team management players and supporters are all behind this Holocaust."

"We are stand for a Genocide against Hate, Violence and Discrimination. Our team management players and supporters are all behind this Genocide."

Nope... trying to redefine a word by putting "against" between it and what it stands for hate, violence, and discrimination doesn't actually work.

Many of our immigrants have come on a crusade to start a better life.

Nope, I don't think so. They mostly came to start a better life, not set up princedoms to enrich themselves, nor to force their religion on the local populace (Bishop Selwyn et al excepted).

I do find the Japanese way of naming things fun... "Cherry Blossoms" for a rugby team? How about the Canterbury Wheat Stalks? Or name them after a local feature... Canterbury Irrigators. Or, better yet, use the name to sell products... Canterbury Hoodies.

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#2210718 4-Apr-2019 13:24

gulfa:

Lets change the philosophy behind the Crusaders rugby team. Come out with something like "We are stand for a Crusade against Hate, Violence and Discrimination. Our team management players and supporters are all behind this Crusade."

Is the next step to remove the word from dictionaries? Many of us have been on crusades of different types. Not all Crusades are about what happened in past which we all agree was quite shocking. Many of our immigrants have come on a crusade to start a better life. Getting rid of the horse and knights display is a good move in my opinion.

I think that if they rename the Crusaders, it needs to be removed from the dictionaries.

To be fair, as far as I am concerned your proposed statement behind the Crusaders values is already what they stand for. They are a community based team with strong links to said community. They are an inclusive organization.

I have never seen the team show discrimination as an organization.

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#2210739 4-Apr-2019 13:57

I like the name 'Canterbury Wizards' and for pre-match entertainment they can roll out the Wizard of Christchurch to do magic tricks and good luck spells. Did you know that he claimed to have cast a successful spell to disperse fog from Oamaru airport in 2006? Shame he didn't use the same spell at the Super Rugby Final that year.

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