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  # 2286325 31-Jul-2019 11:11
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Earbanean:

Gurezaemon: It's a sad fact, however, that out of this list, I wouldn't be surprised that only the names Richie McCaw and Taika Waititi would be recognized by the average Joe or Jill in the street. I'm reasonably well-educated, and like to consider myself reasonably well-informed, but I frankly couldn't have told you who half of the people on that list were. I'm happy the other award-winners were recognized, but the social recognition that sportspeople have cannot be understated.

 

Yeah, but name recognition isn't the same thing.  Kim Kardashian would probably trump all these on recognition, but that doesn't make her a hero to anyone.  I seriously hope it doesn't...

 

 

I agree 100%. The awards may go a small way towards rectifying the unbalance, but as long as average people spend a lazy Saturday watching sport on TV instead of documentaries about science, medicine, or the arts (or more to the point engaging in these activities directly), then I don't hold out a lot of hope that society as a whole will improve.

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  # 2286340 31-Jul-2019 11:23
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Interesting view.  So people need to spend their spare time watching documentaries and educating/bettering themselves?  If we choose to unwind by watching some sport, or taking in a Marvel movie, or having a few drinks, etc, etc, then society is doomed?


 
 
 
 


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  # 2286342 31-Jul-2019 11:24
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So...back to the subject at hand...Who doesn't like Rugby? 

 

 

 

I'm not a massive fan. I don't dislike it, but I am not one to watch a game on telly if there's something better on. 

 

 

 

I am, however, a HUGE football fan and will watch many, many games of said kickball at any opportunity. 





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  # 2286349 31-Jul-2019 11:31
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Earbanean:

Interesting view.  So people need to spend their spare time watching documentaries and educating/bettering themselves?  If we choose to unwind by watching some sport, or taking in a Marvel movie, or having a few drinks, etc, etc, then society is doomed?

 

 

Nah, I wouldn't go that far. I enjoy all of those things. I just wish that there was more of a focus on people outside of sport and entertainment being held up as role models. The Stephen Hawkings of this world, rather than the Kim Kardashians.

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  # 2286353 31-Jul-2019 11:40
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networkn:

 

I don't recall many people referring to Rugby Players (Or actually any sports I follow) as hero's. I have heard them referred to as excellent role models and I believe some of them are.

 

 

That's a fair point. I have zero interest in rugby but my landlord is a well known professional rugby player and he is a thoroughly nice guy who genuinely believes in family and social equity.

 

It must be really tough for those young guys to be thrust into the media spotlight and expected to act as role models when they themselves haven't had much of an opportunity to build up their life experience.


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  # 2286357 31-Jul-2019 11:44
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Gurezaemon:
Earbanean:

 

Gurezaemon: It's a sad fact, however, that out of this list, I wouldn't be surprised that only the names Richie McCaw and Taika Waititi would be recognized by the average Joe or Jill in the street. I'm reasonably well-educated, and like to consider myself reasonably well-informed, but I frankly couldn't have told you who half of the people on that list were. I'm happy the other award-winners were recognized, but the social recognition that sportspeople have cannot be understated.

 

Yeah, but name recognition isn't the same thing.  Kim Kardashian would probably trump all these on recognition, but that doesn't make her a hero to anyone.  I seriously hope it doesn't...

 

I agree 100%. The awards may go a small way towards rectifying the unbalance, but as long as average people spend a lazy Saturday watching sport on TV instead of documentaries about science, medicine, or the arts (or more to the point engaging in these activities directly), then I don't hold out a lot of hope that society as a whole will improve.

 

At some point you are dictating to people what is and isn't a valid form of cultural expression, and the whole debate takes a somewhat totalitarian bent.


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  # 2286358 31-Jul-2019 11:50
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GV27:

Gurezaemon:
Earbanean:

 

Gurezaemon: It's a sad fact, however, that out of this list, I wouldn't be surprised that only the names Richie McCaw and Taika Waititi would be recognized by the average Joe or Jill in the street. I'm reasonably well-educated, and like to consider myself reasonably well-informed, but I frankly couldn't have told you who half of the people on that list were. I'm happy the other award-winners were recognized, but the social recognition that sportspeople have cannot be understated.

 

Yeah, but name recognition isn't the same thing.  Kim Kardashian would probably trump all these on recognition, but that doesn't make her a hero to anyone.  I seriously hope it doesn't...

 

I agree 100%. The awards may go a small way towards rectifying the unbalance, but as long as average people spend a lazy Saturday watching sport on TV instead of documentaries about science, medicine, or the arts (or more to the point engaging in these activities directly), then I don't hold out a lot of hope that society as a whole will improve.

 

At some point you are dictating to people what is and isn't a valid form of cultural expression, and the whole debate takes a somewhat totalitarian bent.

 

 

Not dictating. Just bemoaning :)

 
 
 
 


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  # 2286366 31-Jul-2019 12:09
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Gurezaemon:

 

Not dictating. Just bemoaning :)

 

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I think the world is considerably better off that I spend my weekends watching sport rather than practicing medicine 😉

 

There tends to be two schools of thought about these sorts of things; one is that culture is incredibly prescriptive and that only certain things qualify as 'culture' and the counter "all things are worth studying because people enjoy them for some reason and the underlying reason is the thing we should be studying, not an arbitrary test of what is and isn't culture which excludes huge swathes of the population by default and therefore can't be that relevant to understanding society as a whole".

 

No prizes for guessing where I sit on this one. 


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  # 2286377 31-Jul-2019 12:31
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GV27:

Gurezaemon:

 

Not dictating. Just bemoaning :)

 

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I think the world is considerably better off that I spend my weekends watching sport rather than practicing medicine 😉

 

There tends to be two schools of thought about these sorts of things; one is that culture is incredibly prescriptive and that only certain things qualify as 'culture' and the counter "all things are worth studying because people enjoy them for some reason and the underlying reason is the thing we should be studying, not an arbitrary test of what is and isn't culture which excludes huge swathes of the population by default and therefore can't be that relevant to understanding society as a whole".

 

No prizes for guessing where I sit on this one. 

 

 

I actually agree with you on this. I used to be very dismissive of people trying to excel at leisure activities, trying to improve themselves. However, advancing years make me more aware of the limited time we have, and it has made me more open to the idea of doing something that although totally impractical, gives you something to look forward to. Watching my kids strive and learn life skills through their sport has also changed my perspective.

 

That is why I decided on a whim to start HEMA, and find that I actually enjoy hitting people with longswords, although outside of a zombie apocalypse, the skill-set required is less than useful in the real world.

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  # 2293623 10-Aug-2019 17:35
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I don't dislike Rugby. I will probably watch tonight's Test Match against Aussie, and International's are mostly what I watch.

 

Give me a game of Football any day. I am originally from Yorkshire, and I hardly ever missed a Huddersfield Town home game when I lived there.

 

When I first arrived in NZ (1975) footballers were called "The Kiss and Kick Boys" 😄 Thankfully NZers now have a greater appreciation for my beloved game. 

 

Also, coming from the North of England, I like Rugby League. I am a regular viewer of the English Super League (Go Giants) and the NRL (Go Warriors). 


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  # 2294721 12-Aug-2019 12:08
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Rugby ranks 3rd on my list of sports I like to watch, behind football and cricket.  In saying that, a good game of rugby is better to watch than a bad game of football (and vice versa of course).

 

I've probably become more frustrated with watching it over the years; I really struggle with the rules when the ball is amongst the forwards, the video ref is way too involved now and I don't like the way a referee can put his hand up to say a try a is scored and then go and review, and scrums annoy me too with lots of resets when 95% of the time the team putting in gets the ball anyway.

 

(Football and cricket have some annoyances for me as well of course, but this thread is about rugby.)





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  # 2294736 12-Aug-2019 12:34
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I am going to like rugby for a week. Very like, as in sleep eat dream rugby, but after this week it will be back to unlike for until about September, depending on how the Spark Sport saga plays out.





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  # 2294758 12-Aug-2019 13:22
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I dislike rugby.

 

I will watch the odd game of league like state of origin, but that's as far as my interest goes in any form of rugby.

 

Other sports like Hockey, Cricket, Athletics, Cycling (track & road), I'll absolutely watch whenever I can.


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  # 2307317 28-Aug-2019 14:27
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I don't mind All-Black rugby, but the news coverage is ridiculous.

I watch TV 1 mid-day news, because its short, and sports are usually not a major portion of the coverage.

However every time the All Blacks do anything, it's becomes the lead new item.

Today's All Black announcement was literally 18 minutes.

News coverage, including life threatening measles, was 6 minutes.

So the All Blacks are 3X more important than all other news combined.

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  # 2307325 28-Aug-2019 14:34
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kingdragonfly: I don't mind All-Black rugby, but the news coverage is ridiculous.

I watch TV 1 mid-day news, because its short, and sports are usually not a major portion of the coverage.

However every time the All Blacks do anything, it's becomes the lead new item.

Today's All Black announcement was literally 18 minutes.

News coverage, including life threatening measles, was 6 minutes.

So the All Blacks are 3X more important than all other news combined.

 

^This.

 

The announcement of the world cup team is no doubt a big deal to a lot of people, but it doesn't belong on the news segment of the news.


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