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#2637483 18-Jan-2021 16:52

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After watching some of the pre Christmas and now the Prada races, I have to agree the broadcast standards are below par in this day and age of outside sports broadcasting.

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Come On NZ lift your game. You have the whole world watching these races and in these times where a lot of the world is in lock down there is probably more people watching than previous cups.

Personally I think the coverage is quite good. And for New Zealanders the coverage is fairly open than other events with a non free to air broadcaster holding exclusive rights. This isn't like the London Olympics where you had to location spoof to get the host broadcaster feed (Which had interviews with sailors between races etc, unlike the international feed).

We have the choice of:

TVNZ coverage (international feed, with different commentary, and cuts to to local correspondents (mostly between races etc.).
Main international feed (I prefer the commentary, and less cuts away on this one to the above).
Port entry stern camera (haven't tried this, but think it has onboard audio only)
Starboard entry stern camera (haven't tried this, but think it has onboard audio only)
Virtual eye (tracker - pan, zoom rotate etc) - Boat speeds, VMG, True wind speed etc.

Potential could set up a multi screen viewing setup with onboard audio of the boat you are following, and both the main feed (muted) and stern camera on separate screens.

People outside of NZ won't see the NZ feed. Either they will have an equivalent done with their local commentators, or will have the international feed. I don't think border exemptions were granted for journalists, so overseas networks are unlikely to have their preferred correspondents on the ground (or the water) in NZ. This might hurt international coverage somewhat (but it is not like there was spare MIQ capacity).

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#2637486 18-Jan-2021 16:57

FineWine:

Come On NZ lift your game. You have the whole world watching these races and in these times where a lot of the world is in lock down there is probably more people watching than previous cups.

The world isn't watching, 330k views on YoutTube is peanuts. Most of the world has no clue what the Americas cup is about. People who like yachting are watching a bit.

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#2637488 18-Jan-2021 17:01

There's some british media here.

And the US for the last set of races were YouTube geoblocked. And charged by an exclusive network agreement $135ish to get it. May be all regatta's, unsure.

There was a media conf earlier with the US cheif.

The battery rumor was just that. Plain as carbon stress breaking as not flat impact

They'll be stripping one of them for panels and working with TNZ and other teams independent builders to coordinate repairs (some have offered assistance)

https://youtu.be/4-yvEmEqdBc

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#2637489 18-Jan-2021 17:15

FineWine:

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told my kids - when you are winning by a comfortable margin, don't do anything stupid

Well said but unfortunately -

I know Dean Barker is a Kiwi but it is rather ironic at this time. I said to my partner as we watched the race live on TV1 that that is a sign of the American times. When you know or think you are winning push harder. In other words Trumpism.

Can you please leave this nonsense out of non-politics threads?

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#2637519 18-Jan-2021 19:00

FineWine:

After watching some of the pre Christmas and now the Prada races, I have to agree the broadcast standards are below par in this day and age of outside sports broadcasting.

After living in Sydney for 30 years I now realise how spoilt I was for FTA sports coverage. But not only that but how excellent it was. The broadcast technology innovation just got better with each year. Think of all the rugby and cricket broadcast technology progression. I also believe they have the better commentators (I know debatable). But on top of all of that the whole production; use of camera's, tech and commentators was/is far superior. Their sports broadcast producers know all the relevant sport camera angles and shots, when to cut to the correct camera, how long to stay on that camera etc. It is almost instinctive with their producers. Crowd shots and cheesy commentary shots are reserved for down time moments, not halfway through an active moment.

Come On NZ lift your game. You have the whole world watching these races and in these times where a lot of the world is in lock down there is probably more people watching than previous cups.

:-) I went to CNN well after the capsize, not a bean. Today there was a small article of the capsize. Personally I find the channel feed to be very very good, a great mix of experts.

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#2642481 26-Jan-2021 18:52

Magic boat is back

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/americas-cup-2021-american-magic-confident-about-prospects-of-restored-boat-in-prada-cup/NQHEBGQ6TLRXAPHNTRM4CLZUU4/

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#2644348 30-Jan-2021 10:42

A real drumming, no other way to describe it. While AM showed the highest speed achieved, it was consistently slower in speed and in VMG. Im not a yachtie but commentary indicated it was the wrong mainsail. 2 more knots consistently, probably less, would get them back. But its gone from 4 from 7 to 4 from 5, but an extra 2 knots or less would stop them from slowly drifting behind.

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#2644365 30-Jan-2021 11:24

And supposed to be light winds today - an area where AM has struggled. I don't see them surviving the day unfortunately. Such a turn-around from the Christmas cup where they were on top and Ineos was at the bottom.

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#2644367 30-Jan-2021 11:29

cbrpilot:

And supposed to be light winds today - an area where AM has struggled. I don't see them surviving the day unfortunately. Such a turn-around from the Christmas cup where they were on top and Ineos was at the bottom.

Could a correct mainsail help? Commentary including the two experts mentioned that a few times, for a layman like me, it almost seemed like a mistake. The boat was quite unstable, where LR was very smooth

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#2644393 30-Jan-2021 12:21

tdgeek:

cbrpilot:

And supposed to be light winds today - an area where AM has struggled. I don't see them surviving the day unfortunately. Such a turn-around from the Christmas cup where they were on top and Ineos was at the bottom.

Could a correct mainsail help? Commentary including the two experts mentioned that a few times, for a layman like me, it almost seemed like a mistake. The boat was quite unstable, where LR was very smooth

A wrong mainsail was commented upon and the boat did seem unstable - but I’m not sure one follows from the other. I guess the sail choice could have left it a bit underpowered for conditions yesterday - but I suspect the boat still has other issues. Also possibly crew errors - they stuffed up their start in both races yesterday.

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#2644822 31-Jan-2021 19:07

Disappointing races. AM raced better but was still slower. And with issues, not unexpected. But in general slower.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/124105313/americas-cup-big-question-mark-hangs-over-luna-rossa-bravado

Is an interesting read. Same as my opinion, dont really know how Luna Rossa stacks up, given their 4-0 against a slower and issue laden AM doesnt show they are better and faster

LR may well be faster and better, or they may not be much improved from previous, no way to tell AFAIK. An article I read recently said that INEOS wasn't anything super special, it was solid, and reliable and very well sailed, but not necessarily a quick boat. No doubt the teams have telemetry that they can measure themselves against in like conditions.

But for a non yachtie, its all good stuff!

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#2644826 31-Jan-2021 19:14

I'm just disappointed there's not more racing! Real shame American Magic couldn't take it to Prada. These boats are so cool to watch.

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#2644831 31-Jan-2021 19:31

wratterus: I'm just disappointed there's not more racing! Real shame American Magic couldn't take it to Prada. These boats are so cool to watch.

They played footage of past races, the big "regular" yachts. It was like slow motion and boring, but I remember back then, it was also a great watch.

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#2644832 31-Jan-2021 19:34

tdgeek:

They played footage of past races, the big "regular" yachts. It was like slow motion and boring, but I remember back then, it was also a great watch.

The old style of racing was so much more exciting IMO. I remember watching this live...

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#2644837 31-Jan-2021 19:48

SirHumphreyAppleby:

tdgeek:

They played footage of past races, the big "regular" yachts. It was like slow motion and boring, but I remember back then, it was also a great watch.

The old style of racing was so much more exciting IMO. I remember watching this live...

Great video, thanks. How long were those races time wise? The foil yachts are a great watch but the races seem too short, less time for come backs.

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