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floydbloke
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  #2831221 13-Dec-2021 09:56
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I'm not a huge F1 fan, but I do jump in here on occasion to read your guys opinions and observations.

 

However, as someone who was born and spent the first 15 years of my life in the Netherlands I will now jump on the fair-weather-fan gravy train and say that I have enjoyed the tension in the last few weeks and am now absolutely delighted with Max's victory.





Thanks for explaining "plethora".

 

It means a lot.


 
 
 

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  #2831264 13-Dec-2021 10:52
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tdgeek:

 

Batman:

 

If it was any other team you could say RB paid them ... but Williams is a Merc car ... so I guess that puts everything to bed.

 

 

but Williams is a Merc car ... so I guess that puts everything to bed

 

Hmm, I dunno, remember Piquet Jnr? Crashed on purpose to match fix. Crash with 5 laps to go, safety car, track debris, finish under safety car, job done?

 

 

Go and have a nice sleep, then wake up and think about it.


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  #2831283 13-Dec-2021 11:15
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Piquet Junior crashed to benefit his team mate. That's a pretty immediate relationship as a beneficiary.  

 

You'll have a hard time arguing a MB powered car crashed to help a Honda-powered one win a title against the works AMG team. 

 

I'm happy with the outcome, given Lewis gained a huge advantage by leaving the track on lap one with no sanction and all the crap Max had to put up with about whether he would tangle with Lewis - in the end he put up a brilliant dive, kept it on the track and ended up with nothing to show for it. That was hardly fair either, but apparently injustice only starts and ends at Mercedes Benz. 




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  #2831301 13-Dec-2021 11:40
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Batman:

 

Go and have a nice sleep, then wake up and think about it.

 

 

I do feel like a nice sleep, but GV has expanded what I assumed was obvious


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  #2831307 13-Dec-2021 11:45
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GV27:

 

given Lewis gained a huge advantage by leaving the track on lap one with no sanction

 

 

I just don't get that, wildy inconsistent. Ni point asking Horner or Woolf, but the Brit commentators who are Lewis fans agreed that the place should have been given back. After all the controversial past incidents, car A passed car B, stayed within track limits, no contact, it can't really be any more clear and Martin Brundle was VERY clear on his opinion

 

 

 

I also want to see white lines be the same as in every other sport, its OUT. Then you avoid the variables in the application of the white line. Imagine if an AUS rugby player in a AUS-NZ test scored a try but touched the sideline on the way to scoring. Make that the first warning?? Same thing


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  #2831395 13-Dec-2021 12:48
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I was disappointed by that race.

Yes Hamilton should have given the place back but im all probablility he wouls have overtaken max anyway judging by the way he created such a big lead.

The once the lapped cars were allowed to overtake before the the restart with max on new soft and hamilton old hards the race was done.

Softs are so much faster which is why we see the change to sifts to get the fastest lap.

Id rather have seen a race where max with softs works his way backup vrs hamilton holding on with degrading hards.

I winder whether hamilton will be annoyed enough to continue next year or has he already decided to retire with 8 champs and not try with new format next year..

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  #2831409 13-Dec-2021 13:07
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afe66: I was disappointed by that race.

Yes Hamilton should have given the place back but im all probablility he wouls have overtaken max anyway judging by the way he created such a big lead.

The once the lapped cars were allowed to overtake before the the restart with max on new soft and hamilton old hards the race was done.

Softs are so much faster which is why we see the change to sifts to get the fastest lap.

Id rather have seen a race where max with softs works his way backup vrs hamilton holding on with degrading hards.

I winder whether hamilton will be annoyed enough to continue next year or has he already decided to retire with 8 champs and not try with new format next year..

 

I get all that, but the title wasn't defined over this morning. Good luck and bad luck has happened in most of the 22 races for both of them.

 

Not so sure re getting the place back. RBR with its lower wing profile gave it equal top speed, it was on softs, has the same top end speed, so draws clear. If Lewis got close he gets the dirty air, tyres wear faster, that's essentially F1 in a nutshell




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  #2831524 13-Dec-2021 15:56
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afe66: I was disappointed by that race.

Yes Hamilton should have given the place back but im all probablility he wouls have overtaken max anyway judging by the way he created such a big lead.

The once the lapped cars were allowed to overtake before the the restart with max on new soft and hamilton old hards the race was done.

Softs are so much faster which is why we see the change to sifts to get the fastest lap.

Id rather have seen a race where max with softs works his way backup vrs hamilton holding on with degrading hards.

I winder whether hamilton will be annoyed enough to continue next year or has he already decided to retire with 8 champs and not try with new format next year..

 

It's Latifi's fault. Hamilton was going to win by a country mile until Latifi did his thing.

 

I think he should avoid bumping into Toto for the rest of his life.

 

Jokes aside, FIA have been inventing new rules every race.


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  #2831656 13-Dec-2021 18:02
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At the end of all this, Masi has been an appaling race director since the death of Charlie Whiting.  His decisions have been contentious and difficult to understand, and has created uncertainty in the drivers.  Sure, I didn't want Max to win as I cannot stand him, but I do not begrduge him or RB with the car and his performances.  The Safety Car is one of those things, until that point it was clear that Mercedes where going to win but the SC changes things in an instance... I wonder if the lack of pit call for Lewis came from the Merc understanding of the rules and time left, e.g. that the race would likely finish under the safety car... except that Masi decided to do something so utterly different to anything in the past... I mean, he released the cars between Max and Lewis but Sainz still had a back marker between himself and Max... what happens if he wanted a run at Max?  He essentially wasn't allowed, who knows if it would have made a difference but that is not the point.  Masi let enough cars to make it spicy but not enough to make it finish behind the safety car.


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  #2831663 13-Dec-2021 18:21
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Benoire:

 

At the end of all this, Masi has been an appaling race director since the death of Charlie Whiting.  His decisions have been contentious and difficult to understand, and has created uncertainty in the drivers.  Sure, I didn't want Max to win as I cannot stand him, but I do not begrduge him or RB with the car and his performances.  The Safety Car is one of those things, until that point it was clear that Mercedes where going to win but the SC changes things in an instance... I wonder if the lack of pit call for Lewis came from the Merc understanding of the rules and time left, e.g. that the race would likely finish under the safety car... except that Masi decided to do something so utterly different to anything in the past... I mean, he released the cars between Max and Lewis but Sainz still had a back marker between himself and Max... what happens if he wanted a run at Max?  He essentially wasn't allowed, who knows if it would have made a difference but that is not the point.  Masi let enough cars to make it spicy but not enough to make it finish behind the safety car.

 

 

I thought he could have let the cars past a lap before

 

Also did you hear Toto tell Masi - please don't deploy safety car. Nobody would have dared to say that to a high school rugby ref.


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He may have been able to, not sure of that... it was the partial release that got me... I've watched the sport since I was around 9 and I've never seen that sort of thing happened... I've seen some terrible and downright dumb/aggressive stuff but not the race director applying new approaches.  RB where clever in their choice of words at the appeal, they argued that the regulation allowed for the Race Director to release any amount of cars from behind the safety car rather than them all.. Sporting regulations require clarity and to be black and white but I've seen so much ambiguity in them this year and last.

 

Be interesting to see where this ends up... Apparently the merc barrister is the same gent who got Man City out of their Fifa Fair Play financial disqualifications at the CAS.  Would be a shame to see the drivers championship end up in a legal tussle but I feel Masi brought this on the sport himself with his random decisions and choices throughout the year.


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  #2831670 13-Dec-2021 18:28
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Batman:

 

Also did you hear Toto tell Masi - please don't deploy safety car. Nobody would have dared to say that to a high school rugby ref.

 

 

No... that's poor from Toto, safety must come first, even at the expense of a ~12s lead on the last race with 5 laps left.. luck of the draw when it happens to you.


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  #2831698 13-Dec-2021 18:54
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Benoire:

 

Batman:

 

Also did you hear Toto tell Masi - please don't deploy safety car. Nobody would have dared to say that to a high school rugby ref.

 

 

No... that's poor from Toto, safety must come first, even at the expense of a ~12s lead on the last race with 5 laps left.. luck of the draw when it happens to you.

 

 

It wasn't for that incident. He said that many laps prior during one of the VSCs.


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Batman:

 

It wasn't for that incident. He said that many laps prior during one of the VSCs.

 

 

Ah that's marginally better but it clearly shows that the headmaster has lost the room if the team principals are on the blower to him constantly arguing and pushing agendas... In the attempt to make the sport entertaining I feel they have broken it more than I've ever seen it.


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  #2831789 13-Dec-2021 21:54
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I suspect Masi was trying to bring some balance to the race and reverse the earlier howler of the stewards.

Seems he has no control if something goes to the Stewards, but the power to do something before it gets there. Bit like his negotiated swap last weekend. He was probably also a bit over Toto trying to influence race control.

Merc really have themselves to blame, they chose track position at the first VSC. And gambled it would take 7+ laps to clear the wreck and finish under a SC.

The FIA could have reshuffled the pack quicker though to allow two full laps at the end. It's always too slow and they need to sort that out.

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