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#2999459 21-Nov-2022 18:49

As an Audi owner, I'm likely to swing in behind them once they enter F1, especially if Seb's involved. I'll be a little surprised if he is though, I get the distinct impression he really wants to get fully into saving the planet and, while they are trying to make F1 more eco-friendly and sustainable, it's never going to be a green-friendly activity.

Still, put enough money in front of him and who would know.

Anybody got an idea if end of season testing will be broadcast anywhere? Would really like to have a look at those sessions, see how Liam gets on, etc. I'm sure there would be many potential interested viewers, surely F1/Pirelli could monetize the event and make some extra cash.

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#2999467 21-Nov-2022 19:23

thermonuclear:

As an Audi owner, I'm likely to swing in behind them once they enter F1, especially if Seb's involved. I'll be a little surprised if he is though, I get the distinct impression he really wants to get fully into saving the planet and, while they are trying to make F1 more eco-friendly and sustainable, it's never going to be a green-friendly activity.

Still, put enough money in front of him and who would know.

Anybody got an idea if end of season testing will be broadcast anywhere? Would really like to have a look at those sessions, see how Liam gets on, etc. I'm sure there would be many potential interested viewers, surely F1/Pirelli could monetize the event and make some extra cash.

lol first they want to save the planet, but when the money is with setting the planet on fire they take the money.

you see if you have money, everyone else can burn and wash your car and you will still have air cond in your palace.

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#3000071 23-Nov-2022 01:15

F1 Testing - Abu Dhabi

Carlos Sainz Ferrari 1:25.245 24 Laps
Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:25.383 56 Laps
Robert Shwartzman Ferrari 1:26.067 91 Laps
Fernando Alonso Aston Martin 1:26.312 97 Laps
Sergio Perez Red Bull 1:26.333 88 Laps
Pierre Gasly Alpine 1:26.555 97 Laps
Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo 1:26.709 108 Laps
Lando Norris McLaren 1:26.890 94 Laps
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:27.043 18 Laps
Felipe Drugovich Aston Martin 1:27.053 81 Laps
Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:27.053 31 Laps
George Russell Mercedes 1:27.240 73 Laps
Lance Stroll Aston Martin 1:27.318 16 Laps
Alex Albon Williams 1:27.369 84 Laps
Liam Lawson Red Bull 1:27.490 78 Laps
Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri 1:27.565 96 Laps
Jack Doohan Alpine 1:27.569 86 Laps
Theo Pourchaire Alfa Romeo 1:27.591 86 Laps
Pietro Fittipaldi Haas 1:27.690 75 Laps
Nyck de Vries AlphaTauri 1:27.696 106 Laps
Oscar Piastri McLaren 1:27.892 100 Laps
Frederick Vesti Mercedes 1:27.978 103 Laps
Nico Hulkenberg Haas 1:28.280 84 Laps
Logan Sargeant Williams 1:28.413 66 Laps

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#3000124 23-Nov-2022 07:32

F1 2023 will start in earnest with launch season - usually at the beginning of February - before pre-season testing takes place in Bahrain on February 23-25.

The campaign then officially begins the following weekend with the Bahrain Grand Prix at the same Sakhir track on March 5.

2023 Cars, a reset of sorts.

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#3000136 23-Nov-2022 08:41

Is there anywhere to watch a highlights package of the post season test? Don't see anything on the F1TV app.

Are those lap times actually meaningful, or is it a real mixed bag depending on what the teams are testing?

On the face of it, Hulk's time would seem to be very disappointing and Lawson/Fittipaldi/Shwartzman/Alonso/Drugovich seem to have done very well.

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#3000141 23-Nov-2022 08:49

wratterus:

Is there anywhere to watch a highlights package of the post season test? Don't see anything on the F1TV app.

Are those lap times actually meaningful, or is it a real mixed bag depending on what the teams are testing?

On the face of it, Hulk's time would seem to be very disappointing and Lawson/Fittipaldi/Shwartzman/Alonso/Drugovich seem to have done very well.

AFAIK its the 2022 cars, and tyre testing, and some young drivers need to have runs. Not a lot to see I think

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#3000147 23-Nov-2022 09:04

Yep none of the new 23 cars will have got the clearance from the FIA yet to run and they will still be in active development. Bahrain season tests will be the first time we see them.

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#3000324 23-Nov-2022 13:28

Final Test Results - Abu Dhabi

1. Carlos Sainz Ferrari 1:25.245 65 laps
2. Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:25.383 56 laps
3. Robert Shwartzman Ferrari 1:25.400 116 laps
4. Pierre Gasly Alpine 1:25.689 130 laps
5. Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:25.845 76 laps
6. Alex Albon Williams 1:25.959 118 laps
7. Logan Sargeant Williams 1:26.063 82 laps
8. Nyck de Vries AlphaTauri 1:26.111 151 laps
9. Lance Stroll Aston Martin 1:26.263 70 laps
10. Liam Lawson Red Bull 1:26.281 111 laps
11. Jack Doohan Alpine 1:26.297 111 laps
12. Fernando Alonso Aston Martin 1:26.312 97 laps
13. Sergio Perez Red Bull 1:26.333 88 laps
14. Oscar Piastri McLaren 1:26.340 123 laps
15. Felipe Drugovich Aston Martin 1:26.595 106 laps
16. Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo 1:26.709 129 laps
17. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:26.750 67 laps
18. Lando Norris McLaren 1:26.890 115 laps
19. Nico Hulkenberg Haas 1:27.000 110 laps
20. Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri 1:27.123 135 laps
21. Pietro Fittipaldi Haas 1:27.172 99 laps
22. Frederik Vesti Mercedes 1:27.216 124 laps
23. George Russell Mercedes 1:27.240 73 laps
24. Theo Pourchaire Alfa Romeo 1:27.591 106 laps

My understand is this; both team cars are run. One car has an existing team driver and runs the new Pirelli tyre compounds. The other car is given over to a "young/junior/new" driver and they can run the existing Pirelli tyre compounds or the new compounds.

I'm not sure if there are any stipulations placed on the teams around what they are allowed to run on their cars in terms of development parts or new/old/clapped out engines. You'd expect the senior drivers to be professional and put the hammer down when required, but you also wonder if some of them are already in holiday mode and just mailing it in.

But obvious takeaway is that the Ferrari was quick, no matter who was driving. Gasly was decent in the Alpine but Ocon wasn't there to get a true comparison. Sargeant was able to keep it pretty tight with Albon. And Lawson was able to get some great laps in, improved his lunchtime ranking, and kept it within 4/10ths of the World Champion in a similar car. I think he's acquitted himself well again.

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#3000329 23-Nov-2022 13:35

Here's a comment I read over at one of the F1 websites, it about sums it up for me.

"The writings on the wall, FIA should do something to get more of these drivers into F1 somehow. Almost all the F2 drivers WITHOUT SEATS are on the pace of their team leaders. Now I know the "duhh... it's only testing" argument will come out in force, but - to do the laptime, you have to have the skill to do the laptime. When Alfonso Celis and Sean Gelael used to participate in testing, they were ALWAYS comfortably 3-4 seconds off the regular drivers. Like Liam Lawson. I know he's 4-tenths off but, it's Max Verstappen for crying out loud, Sergio Perez gets paid millions to be half a second behind at 23 different race tracks. Also Felipe Drugovich, two tenths off Fernando Alonso. These two young men will probably never have an F1 seat but they both clearly have the talent to become F1 drivers."

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#3000338 23-Nov-2022 13:45

thermonuclear:

Here's a comment I read over at one of the F1 websites, it about sums it up for me.

"The writings on the wall, FIA should do something to get more of these drivers into F1 somehow. Almost all the F2 drivers WITHOUT SEATS are on the pace of their team leaders. Now I know the "duhh... it's only testing" argument will come out in force, but - to do the laptime, you have to have the skill to do the laptime. When Alfonso Celis and Sean Gelael used to participate in testing, they were ALWAYS comfortably 3-4 seconds off the regular drivers. Like Liam Lawson. I know he's 4-tenths off but, it's Max Verstappen for crying out loud, Sergio Perez gets paid millions to be half a second behind at 23 different race tracks. Also Felipe Drugovich, two tenths off Fernando Alonso. These two young men will probably never have an F1 seat but they both clearly have the talent to become F1 drivers."

Not enough seats, not enough backmarkers, too many teams changing hands and no new ones being set up.

The days of an Alonso or Webber doing an apprenticeship at Minardi are long gone, sadly.

You start to wonder whether the FIA should be running some wildcard entries in hotted-up F2 cars just to flesh out the grids a bit more. Just give them enough poke to make it past the 107% mark and then let six or so F2 drivers on the grid each race.

E: Alternatively, bring in three car teams. Lewis, George, Mick vs. Max, Sergio, Liam?

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#3000352 23-Nov-2022 14:26

I like the 3 car teams idea.

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#3000361 23-Nov-2022 14:59

F1 has become a closed shop unfortunately. It's hard to understand where the road block truely exists, whether it's Liberty Media, or the FIA, or the existing teams. Probably all three. There's plenty of money to be made in F1, it's never been more popular, all the existing stakeholders must be raking it in despite the claims of poverty in some quarters.

Teams changing hands instead of starting new ones is a real problem but it's the only way you can get into the sport at the moment. VAG surely has the muscle and expertise to start a team from scratch rather than buy into existing ones. Maybe Honda and Andretti too. The sport needs more teams, more cars, more PU manufacturers.

Happy to see 13 teams on the grid, not sure the infrastructure is there to support that with most tracks set up for 20 garages these days. Probably will add a big chunk of expense to transport a third more teams around the planet also, but it's not insurmountable.

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#3000442 23-Nov-2022 17:47

thermonuclear:

Here's a comment I read over at one of the F1 websites, it about sums it up for me.

"The writings on the wall, FIA should do something to get more of these drivers into F1 somehow. Almost all the F2 drivers WITHOUT SEATS are on the pace of their team leaders. Now I know the "duhh... it's only testing" argument will come out in force, but - to do the laptime, you have to have the skill to do the laptime. When Alfonso Celis and Sean Gelael used to participate in testing, they were ALWAYS comfortably 3-4 seconds off the regular drivers. Like Liam Lawson. I know he's 4-tenths off but, it's Max Verstappen for crying out loud, Sergio Perez gets paid millions to be half a second behind at 23 different race tracks. Also Felipe Drugovich, two tenths off Fernando Alonso. These two young men will probably never have an F1 seat but they both clearly have the talent to become F1 drivers."

Agree. Sergio is great but as a driver he is not that great. Same car as Max, he should be behind Max every race (bar issues/incidents) but he's not. Max has driven away this title on not the car woth the most horsepower, but the overall package. Sergio can't make No.2 in the title (unless he has help) Harsh, but true

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#3000447 23-Nov-2022 17:56

wratterus:

I like the 3 car teams idea.

Me too, plus 1 to GV

Motorsport is big, but the F1 grid is small. Many times we see great guys but no seats, and ok guys with paid seats. A 3 car team where the third guy HAS to be new is a great idea. RBR, Mercedes, Ferrari, no issue as they can pay. Of course you need to increase the cap. But lesser teams, they maybe cannot muster up enough $ to field a third team. Being creative, the sport as a whole could bridge that gap. The top x teams subsidise the lesser teams fir that third driver. We would the have a LOOOONG grid, but then again, if the "new" drivers trended at the back they can compete with each other. Some will rise to the top. The lesser will go.

10 teams in F1, = 20 drivers, could be 10 teams, 30 drivers? Seems ok to me

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#3003419 30-Nov-2022 01:43

Ferrari Team Principal Mattia Binotto confirmed to have left the role.

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