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  #2946791 27-Jul-2022 09:29
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I think the LIV players have come to realise that their time at the peak of the sport is limited, and if they aren't at the peak on the PGA, then the opportunity to earn the big $ is pretty limited on the regular tour. In some ways, they'd be mad not to take the money on offer from LIV, especially at the sums being rumoured to the higher ranked players. Whilst we like to think they are there "for the good of the game", they all have futures to think about, families to support now and in the future etc.

 

As for the golf format itself, I've watched a handful of minutes on youtube, I could take or leave it, but at least they've tried to offer something different, 3 rounds not 4, shotgun start & teams, almost like they are trying to emulate Ryder Cup (will wait to see if they do go down the whole teams 4ball, match play etc).

 

The spectacle of LIV and the commotion it has caused has undoubtedly damaged the PGA, as has the PGAs them or us protectionist approach, but the PGA has spent years and millions of $ building up the sport of golf into a marketable commodity, to then have an outside organisation come in over the top and benefit from that investment has to hurt.




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  #2946808 27-Jul-2022 09:41
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Agree. For those that are past it, but still household names its a wise choice. Lee Westwood comes to mind. Woolf is another type though.If he can resurrect what he has already shown he can shine on the world stage, but he's probably decided may as well go LIV and get the cash instead and forget real brandname golf tournaments.

 

I have no issue with whatever format anyone plays, its only entertaining of you have the worlds best and LIV doesnt. No esteemed titles to go after, no cut, easy money, the motivation to practice hour upon hour must be difficult as the money is already guaranteed (T48 is about US$120,000) valued tournaments are a no go. They dont seem to be interested in a legacy, but thats ok, theor choice. If OWGR doesnt work, most will drop put of Major entry


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  #2954335 13-Aug-2022 17:30
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Its a  pity that Cam Smith will be going to LIV. I can and cannot see why.

 

1. He will get 150 mill

 

2 He loves Greg Norman

 

3. Mark Leishman his mate is going too

 

Cam is wealthy, he will get more wealthy on the PGA and Major Tour, and the prestige of the Presidents Cup. But the Law of Diminishing Returns apply here. If you have 5 mill in the bank, or 20, does another 150 really matter?? 

 

The benefits are 150 mill, and as he is the only top brand name player in LIV he will probably win a few exhibition matches at 4 mill each, plus the many top 5's

 

No more PGA, no more majors, no more Presidents Cups, so while I get the money, its not exactly in short supply. 




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  #2955154 16-Aug-2022 07:35
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johno1234:

 

I can't get too upset about the LIV tour being run on Saudi blood money. If I did, I'd have to also be upset about various F1 events, the Olympics, the Football World Cup etc all being staged by repressive governments.

 

 

dead right about blood money

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/15/energy/saudi-arabia-russian-oil-investments/index.html

 

 


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  #2955155 16-Aug-2022 07:46
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Batman:

 

johno1234:

 

I can't get too upset about the LIV tour being run on Saudi blood money. If I did, I'd have to also be upset about various F1 events, the Olympics, the Football World Cup etc all being staged by repressive governments.

 

 

dead right about blood money

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/15/energy/saudi-arabia-russian-oil-investments/index.html

 

 

 

 

Also be upset when you buy petrol, and any goods that have a fuel component, which is ALL goods

 

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  #2955161 16-Aug-2022 08:37
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Focusing on the golf for a minute. I've tried a couple of times to watch and I just can't get into it. The coverage is just so hard to follow. Its like watching a highlights reel instead of live golf. You see some hit a a shot into the green but you don't get to see them putt out. You might not see that player or group for a another 3-4 holes. Its how I would imagine trying to watch golf from TikTok or Instagram reels.


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  #2955168 16-Aug-2022 08:52
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Yeah, it all seems amateurish, but then again its not about golf, or a good viewing spectacle, or the elite players. It will be a pity when Cam Smith goes there after the Presidents Cup, at least then they will have one elite player in his prime. Its one thing for a lower grade player to pickup 5 mill, then easy pickings for a low finish each game, but I wonder how the already wealthy players such as DJ, Sergio, Bryson etc find any motivation to grind it out. It must be like turning up having to forego a few days of their lives and hand in the invoice afterwards


 
 
 
 

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  #2955170 16-Aug-2022 09:02
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Senecio:

 

Focusing on the golf for a minute. I've tried a couple of times to watch and I just can't get into it. The coverage is just so hard to follow. Its like watching a highlights reel instead of live golf. You see some hit a a shot into the green but you don't get to see them putt out. You might not see that player or group for a another 3-4 holes. Its how I would imagine trying to watch golf from TikTok or Instagram reels.

 

 

PGA Tour events have over 100 cameras as well as all the digital shot tracking fruit on top. LIV need to use some of that money lake to do same if they want to attract viewers. 


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  #2955171 16-Aug-2022 09:04
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tdgeek:

 

Its a  pity that Cam Smith will be going to LIV. I can and cannot see why.

 

1. He will get 150 mill

 

2 He loves Greg Norman

 

3. Mark Leishman his mate is going too

 

Cam is wealthy, he will get more wealthy on the PGA and Major Tour, and the prestige of the Presidents Cup. But the Law of Diminishing Returns apply here. If you have 5 mill in the bank, or 20, does another 150 really matter?? 

 

The benefits are 150 mill, and as he is the only top brand name player in LIV he will probably win a few exhibition matches at 4 mill each, plus the many top 5's

 

No more PGA, no more majors, no more Presidents Cups, so while I get the money, its not exactly in short supply. 

 

 

My guess is the younger guys also have their agents in their ears telling them that in a year or two either the PGA will back down or LIV will fold and they will be able to play on the regular tour again.

 

I can't see a life ban from the regular tour holding up in court and I can't see the fans putting up with it either.


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  #2955173 16-Aug-2022 09:14
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My guess is the younger guys also have their agents in their ears telling them that in a year or two either the PGA will back down or LIV will fold and they will be able to play on the regular tour again.

 

I can't see a life ban from the regular tour holding up in court and I can't see the fans putting up with it either.

 

 

Yep. But also, LIV wont fold if it goes broke, its already broke, its vastly not financially viable, so its funded by the Saudi public fund to buy international credibility.

 

My guess is that it will go on and on, PGA will continue as normal. Unsure how long LIV players are contracted for, as to when they could test the waters of resigning from LIV and joining the PGA. Assuming OWGR is a no go, then they might need to go to Q School? Or go to the Asia Tour (Saudi backed but its a "real: tour)

 

Re OWGR, the loss of the injunction puts LIV a bit backwards, so that may be hard. And no possible idea how you can rank players playing on a LIV type tournament. You would need to downgrade the points as its not 72 holes, downgrade the points as there is no cut. Downgrade points to reflect the poor rankings of the other players.


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  #2961469 31-Aug-2022 10:36
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As expected Cam Smith has gone to LIV. Pity, but oh well

 

Ryan Fox who is ranked 48, and 6 on DPWT and now 11th on Presidents Cup list (after removing Smith and Leishman) may get into the Presidents Cup, that would be cool


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  #3169527 8-Dec-2023 09:06
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John Rahm has gone to LIV for a cool 920 Mil.  I recall him saying that he's not interested as he has plenty (money)


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  #3169647 8-Dec-2023 10:22
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Wow, hard to blame him for that decision. He might be worth millions and not need the money, but be interesting to see what he does with it. The likes of Tiger who has a foundation set up to advance young players is something that could be done worldwide with the financial resources some of those blokes have.

 

 

 

No wonder when they are playing for fun, its not uncommon to play for thousands of dollars per hole in a haggle


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  #3169653 8-Dec-2023 10:56
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Yeah. PGA and the PIF are in talks, for a potential merger/partnership/work together somehow  so if they pay out Rahm now, that may indicate LIV will remain fully seperate?


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  #3169661 8-Dec-2023 11:35
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tdgeek:

 

John Rahm has gone to LIV for a cool 920 Mil.  I recall him saying that he's not interested as he has plenty (money)

 

 

 

 

For 920 million, why the hell not I say? Play a couple of years in the shits and giggles tour, then, if they want him back, rejoin the PGA.






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