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#3227333 7-May-2024 15:17

langi27:
You don't see it in F1 very often, but that was pretty special. He genuinely deserved that, and its more sweet because Max was right behind him and couldn't reel him in. Not like the Sainz victory where Max crashed out.

Max was right there and Lando bet him on pace. Pretty much everyone gave him a hug which was cool to see.

Riccardo had a proper nightmare in the main race. How long has he actually got?. He was suppose to be comforably beating Yuki by now. His days are numbered. I'd love to know if anyone is talking to Lawson outside the Redbull group.

RB was using the excuse Max broke the car running over the bollard...

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#3227335 7-May-2024 15:28

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RB was using the excuse Max broke the car running over the bollard...

Maybe he needed to brake earlier

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#3227395 7-May-2024 16:09

Jvipers2:
RB was using the excuse Max broke the car running over the bollard...

Never heard that. Link? The bollard cost Max the race?

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#3227397 7-May-2024 16:15

Christian Horner says Max Verstappen suffered “quite a lot of damage” to his Red Bull after hitting a bollard during the Miami Grand Prix, with the team set to investigate how much this may have impacted his pace in the second half of the race

Not quite blame. Damage happens to most cars in a race

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“Today was a bit tricky. I think already on the medium [tyres] it didn’t feel fantastic, we were pulling away but not like it should be. Then once we made a pit stop I heard what the lap times McLaren were doing and I was like, ‘Well, that’s pretty quick!’.

“Once then they also switched onto the hard tyre, they just had more pace, especially Lando he was flying.

Not much to see here. RBR wasnt that happy on the track with the tyres as many others were. McLaren nailed it and deserved it. Simple as that

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#3227399 7-May-2024 16:23

You'd expect "quite a lot of damage" would be visible. Didn't look like the front wing was impacted at all.

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#3227401 7-May-2024 16:32

davidcole:

You'd expect "quite a lot of damage" would be visible. Didn't look like the front wing was impacted at all.

Under the floor he said. Yes it may have impacted the car a bit or more than a bit, but it was already at full stretch all weekend as it was. With no safety car it was probably stiil 50/50. If tyres aren't wearing or gripping great, you cant fix that on trcak. Ferrari was the same, Charles exactly matched Max in quali apart from one minor error, but they also failed to match that over a race distance

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#3227410 7-May-2024 17:09

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I'd love to know if anyone is talking to Lawson outside the Redbull group.

Pretty sure I've read somewhere that he's free to look elsewhere if they can't get him a seat in 2025, something along those lines.

Whilst the talk pre seasons was that Alpha Tauri / VCARB would be a Red Bull clone and work more closely, so far this year the car hasn't appeared that competitive anyway, regardless of the driver struggles. Daniel still has massive marketing clout so I think he's safe and seems a bit more comfortable in the new chassis after not feeling in tune with the last one. Will need to see how that goes moving forward.

Perez seemed distracted again this weekend, and damn near took Max out. He brings significant sponsorship and presence in a global market sector, but I wonder how safe his seat is too. They've done ok with him in the past as Max was soo far out in front Max was winning constructor championships by himself, as the remaining points were spread across several chasing teams. If a McLaren or other can be consistently 2nd and 3rd place then Red Bull suddenly do need a #2 driver, and Perez is filling that position currently.

Also aware of that Albon interview saying how Max likes all his settings on super sensitive and others have struggled to dial in the car to match his preferences. Going in there as a #2 is always going to be difficult, just as Gasly, Albon, Daniel who failed to live in that environment. Same outcome for different reasons at hASS where the environment is toxic for newcomers like Mick. Want Liam to have the best chance possible in F1.

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#3228750 10-May-2024 14:32

davidcole:
You'd expect "quite a lot of damage" would be visible. Didn't look like the front wing was impacted at all.

The post race analysis on Sky commented that there was potentially huge damage to the diffuser...you can see that the rear of the car sat onto the bollard base as it hopped over the curbs..

And I guess this answers my question on where did Norris find that pace in the second half of the race: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hpv7y4qBFM

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#3228802 10-May-2024 17:13

Jvipers2:
davidcole:

You'd expect "quite a lot of damage" would be visible. Didn't look like the front wing was impacted at all.

The post race analysis on Sky commented that there was potentially huge damage to the diffuser...you can see that the rear of the car sat onto the bollard base as it hopped over the curbs..

And I guess this answers my question on where did Norris find that pace in the second half of the race: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hpv7y4qBFM

Hmm. Im a RBR fan from way back. But, the bollard and the base disengages visibly, at the front. I doubt it was a huge issue. End of the day RBR weren't that happy and McLaren nailed it with their upgrades. Lando used that and Oscar was unlucky. Credit where credit is due, RBR and Max are great, so was McLaren last weekend, its quite likely that McLaren , Lando and Oscar are nipping at their heels

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#3232083 18-May-2024 13:53

Bit late to the party but as a long-time McLaren fan and, in particular Lando Norris, it was great to see him finally get his maiden win in Miami. Probably helped by circumstance in the race but the same can be said of any competitive situation so a well-deserved win to the young man. Great to see the widespread congratulations from many of his competitors after the race as well, he's a very likeable and popular racer I think.

In terms of the upgrades to the McLaren, it seems like they have again made a step forward similar to what occurred around Silverstone last year. Their car development team definitely seem to have a good handle on what they're doing and how to keep the performance moving forward. Despite Verstappen's difficulty in Miami I think we need a bigger sample size than just one race to suggest the gap is being substantially closed up to them. I'd wager the underfloor damage after his "MH Jeweller smash'n grab" over the bollard was significant.

Although the McLaren upgrades seemed to capture most of the attention in Miami, I reckon the biggest jump was the less-heralded performance improvement of the RB's. Ricciardo had an uncharacteristic good result in the Sprint then Tsunoda ensured normal 2024 transmission was resumed in the main race. Whatever upgrades they brought to the race seem to have delivered a significant jump.

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#3232166 18-May-2024 17:06

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Bit late to the party but as a long-time McLaren fan and, in particular Lando Norris, it was great to see him finally get his maiden win in Miami. Probably helped by circumstance in the race but the same can be said of any competitive situation so a well-deserved win to the young man. Great to see the widespread congratulations from many of his competitors after the race as well, he's a very likeable and popular racer I think.

In terms of the upgrades to the McLaren, it seems like they have again made a step forward similar to what occurred around Silverstone last year. Their car development team definitely seem to have a good handle on what they're doing and how to keep the performance moving forward. Despite Verstappen's difficulty in Miami I think we need a bigger sample size than just one race to suggest the gap is being substantially closed up to them. I'd wager the underfloor damage after his "MH Jeweller smash'n grab" over the bollard was significant.

Although the McLaren upgrades seemed to capture most of the attention in Miami, I reckon the biggest jump was the less-heralded performance improvement of the RB's. Ricciardo had an uncharacteristic good result in the Sprint then Tsunoda ensured normal 2024 transmission was resumed in the main race. Whatever upgrades they brought to the race seem to have delivered a significant jump.

Hmmm

Yes Lando was great and McLaren was great, like you I am a kiwi McLaren Fan (and RBR)

Yes, the bollard incident and the safety car mattered, and we will never know the "true" result but thats racing. Never the less, McLaren has gone from woeful to arguably Number 2 on the grid

Imola, the two FP sessions were hard to see something. Mercedes are there, Yuki was there, Danny Ricc was nowhere, Piastri was there but Lando abandoned a stellar lap then went to long runs. Many teams have upgrades again, but its very clear the top teams have closed up. MARKEDLY . Mercedes will "probably" look right there too but wont.

While I am a RBR fan and McLaren fan, what im seeing is RBR, McLaren and Ferrari being super close. McLaren seem ti have overcome the slow corner issues. That being said, and if these 3 top teams are close, its now down to the drivers and luck.

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#3232167 18-May-2024 17:08

Weird that this thread has frequent posts in a race weekend, and now that Max isnt invincible, its fine quiet. I gather many dont like Max or RBR being dominant. Not sure why

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#3232225 18-May-2024 18:06

tdgeek:

I gather many dont like Max or RBR being dominant. Not sure why

For me its simply because it makes the whole event less interesting. And don't get me wrong I can absolutely appreciate how good Max and RBR are and they deserve everything they have achieved. However; F1 is a sport and sport is all about the spectacle. And when its pretty obvious whats going to happen every week it loses its gloss.

Frankly; its great to see Ferrari and McLaren catching up to RBR. Its making things far more interesting and I'm enjoying the race weekends more.

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#3232228 18-May-2024 18:23

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For me its simply because it makes the whole event less interesting. And don't get me wrong I can absolutely appreciate how good Max and RBR are and they deserve everything they have achieved. However; F1 is a sport and sport is all about the spectacle. And when its pretty obvious whats going to happen every week it loses its gloss.

Frankly; its great to see Ferrari and McLaren catching up to RBR. Its making things far more interesting and I'm enjoying the race weekends more.

I get that. When Schummy was winning I often feel asleep. Team orders were huge then, it was arguably a farce. Remember Indy when the track was resurfaced and some teams didnt take part. Rubens turned for home and stood aside so Michael won.

Mercedes 2014, unbeatable if you are 2 seconds per lap quicker. 3/10 is huge but 2 seconds?

RBR in the Vettel years. Speed trap lucky to be midfield but they had the package.

End of the Mercedes era RBR lowered the wings to at least be there. Since then they took over without the most HP, its about the package

F1 is a Constructors Championship not Drivers. If FIA let the regs mature they would all catch up as they are now, then lets changes the regs then no matter what team nailed it they will dominate, rinse and repeat Schummy, Lewis, Vettel and Max. 2025 is similar to 2024and we are likely to see 4/5 close teams. 2026 its starts afresh with either Ferrari/Mercedes/Aston/McLaren/RBR being well clear. Other sports dont have this

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#3232341 19-May-2024 11:47

Cracking Quali. Max got a tow from The Hulk so in my view it was a McLaren 1-2. These two cars are really close. Track to track that will vary but they are super close

Yuki again excellent

Checo again poor. Now when the commentators are talking about the top 5 looking ahead to quali,you ask to ask when Checo will go (top 5 being Ferrari, McLaren and Max)

Liked the Harry/Karun commentating. Level headed and technical, nice to have a break from incessant British bias from Crofty and Jensen

As for the race, McLaren have been super good in the last sector, that bodes well for the race. McLaren and Max, whatever happens its likely to be good or bad luck and the driver, much less the car

Ferrari probably easily behind them, hope Yuki goes well

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