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#3202721 3-Mar-2024 13:28

Well there goes the season again basically.

It's closer at least in the 2-5? ish teams range but Max was easily out of DRS range almost immediately and confidently out ahead by a long safety margin for the rest of the race.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see Perez out during the season IF the other teams start claiming podium spots ahead of him.
Maybe this is a year Max can't win for Red Bull all on his own, but then the fighting below is close so maybe they'll share those remaining points around so it's not a major for Red Bull.

The Yuki/ Riccardo thing was odd as they weren't near the points at the time, so such a weird thing to call this early in the season and late in the race.
Charles had a nightmare with the brakes in his Ferrari and Carlos is making the most of this marketing opportunity before losing his seat next year.
Don't think team orders are going to go down well there this year, but he was on fire.

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#3202725 3-Mar-2024 13:55

Jaxson:

Well there goes the season again basically.

It's closer at least in the 2-5? ish teams range but Max was easily out of DRS range almost immediately and confidently out ahead by a long safety margin for the rest of the race.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see Perez out during the season IF the other teams start claiming podium spots ahead of him.
Maybe this is a year Max can't win for Red Bull all on his own, but then the fighting below is close so maybe they'll share those remaining points around so it's not a major for Red Bull.

The Yuki/ Riccardo thing was odd as they weren't near the points at the time, so such a weird thing to call this early in the season and late in the race.
Charles had a nightmare with the brakes in his Ferrari and Carlos is making the most of this marketing opportunity before losing his seat next year.
Don't think team orders are going to go down well there this year, but he was on fire.

Yuki. No points at stake but what would miff me is the stats vs your teammate. Maybe Danny Ricc is ahead in race stats 13-11 end of year, but was he??? These stats help formulate your career, not helped if they are fake.

If Max, Lewis, George, Charles were driving that car this race, same result. Top car and top driver wins. Top car and lesser driver, not so much, as Perez will find out. Perez/RBR was about the same as Carlos/Ferrari. Yes, Perez wont last. Danny Ricc is hardly showing Tsunoda up. Red Bull has played a "new" driver in the main team, aka Albon. Liam beats Tsunoda, Tsunoda beats Danny Ricc, its not a stretch that Liam leapfrogs the Honey Badger, could even be given a test season, the last 3/4, 2/3 of 2024 at RBR if Tsunoda and Danny Ricc are generally even. Liam beat him, and as a last minute no practice hot seat, at new tracks. Mercedes may well get Antonelli in there main seat 2025. They can then bed in the future, RBR could do the same

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#3202726 3-Mar-2024 13:57

First opening race without a DNF (although sounds like Logan and Alex both had issues with their new steering wheels that have embedded displays, so could've been close, especially with that time Logan ran off).

Very similar to last year though, and despite people saying "it's the biggest gap between 1st and 2nd at Bahrain" a couple of hopeful signs despite this. Gap between Max and Alonso (3rd) in 2023 was 38.6s, this race 25.1s between Max and Sainz (3rd). The Sainz's Ferrari certainly looked good and I'm curious as to how the other cars (especially Merc and McLaren) will go on circuits that don't just eat the tyres.

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#3202728 3-Mar-2024 14:02

And RBR was on new softs last stint, that was quite huge. They wear out sooner, but lighter car, track is more rubbered in. IMO its closer than what it looks.

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#3202733 3-Mar-2024 14:21

snj:

First opening race without a DNF (although sounds like Logan and Alex both had issues with their new steering wheels that have embedded displays, so could've been close, especially with that time Logan ran off).

Very similar to last year though, and despite people saying "it's the biggest gap between 1st and 2nd at Bahrain" a couple of hopeful signs despite this. Gap between Max and Alonso (3rd) in 2023 was 38.6s, this race 25.1s between Max and Sainz (3rd). The Sainz's Ferrari certainly looked good and I'm curious as to how the other cars (especially Merc and McLaren) will go on circuits that don't just eat the tyres.

Agree. Lets say Max and Sergio were on hards last stint like everyone else, the gaps would have been a lot different. Carlos kept up with Sergio, the latter on new softs. Thats close.

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#3202924 4-Mar-2024 00:23

Well I missed it all. Years of races on Sunday night caught me out and I heard the result too early.
Bugger.

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#3203085 4-Mar-2024 14:23

Opening race of the season showed not much has changed from 2023. The Verstappen/Newey combination are light years ahead of the rest of the field. Verstappen had a pitstop in reserve by the end of the race.

So long as the Red Bull/Horner/Verstappen combination stays in place (looking somewhat unlikely!), that's the only direction the Constructors and Drivers Championships are going for the next couple of seasons at least.

Hamilton might think he's a chance at Ferrari for the title, but I just don't see it. He should resign himself to the same fate as Alonso as a former World Champion if he wants to continue driving.

Perez was solid during the race which firms up his position for another week at least. If he can continue doing that then Ricciardo is no chance at replacing him, especially if the latter shows nothing at VCARB.

Still, early days and anything can happen I guess. Except Red Bull being overtaken on the track. Their biggest threat is implosion at the moment with Jos throwing the latest grenade. It's even money for me on whether Horner gets forced out. I don't think RBR can afford to lose Horner, and I think the Verstappen's would be foolish to move anywhere else if they are interested in Championships for Junior.

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#3203266 5-Mar-2024 09:40

Max to Mercedes? Autosport certainly putting that forward as an option.

Also rumours around the paddock in Bahrain is that the other party to Christian Horner's recent "issues" is now linked up (professionally rather than personally) to Jos Verstappen.

Putting on a tinfoil hat this would make sense if you consider the leaked Whatsapp messages are all her screenshots of their conversations and you could then tie all of this together and get to the fact that Jos is engineering Horner's departure from Red Bull to trigger a release clause that Max (and Adrian Newey and others) have to be able to leave their Red Bull contracts early (with Max to Mercedes). 🤪

Seem too far-fetched? Yes, but this is F1 where the impossible is likely!

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#3203293 5-Mar-2024 11:03

Today's scandal:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/68465516

Mohammed Ben Sulayem, president of motorsport's governing body the FIA, is under investigation for allegedly interfering over a Formula 1 race result.

A whistleblower has told the FIA that Ben Sulayem allegedly intervened to overturn a penalty given to Aston Martin's Fernando Alonso at the 2023 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix.

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#3203355 5-Mar-2024 13:18

thermonuclear:

Opening race of the season showed not much has changed from 2023. The Verstappen/Newey combination are light years ahead of the rest of the field. Verstappen had a pitstop in reserve by the end of the race.

So long as the Red Bull/Horner/Verstappen combination stays in place (looking somewhat unlikely!), that's the only direction the Constructors and Drivers Championships are going for the next couple of seasons at least.

Hamilton might think he's a chance at Ferrari for the title, but I just don't see it. He should resign himself to the same fate as Alonso as a former World Champion if he wants to continue driving.

Perez was solid during the race which firms up his position for another week at least. If he can continue doing that then Ricciardo is no chance at replacing him, especially if the latter shows nothing at VCARB.

Still, early days and anything can happen I guess. Except Red Bull being overtaken on the track. Their biggest threat is implosion at the moment with Jos throwing the latest grenade. It's even money for me on whether Horner gets forced out. I don't think RBR can afford to lose Horner, and I think the Verstappen's would be foolish to move anywhere else if they are interested in Championships for Junior.

I don't get the light years type of comments.

Max and Sergio had clean races. Carlos also had a clean race and was just a few seconds behind Sergio. That's close. Especially when RBR used new softs last stint, Sergio should have eased away from Carlos, but didnt.

Mercedes carried a small air intake advantage to save a 1/2 tenth a lap but it cost them 4/10 a lap, George still did pretty good taking that into account. That was just a bad team choice, their car is 3 to 4/10 better

Im just trying to look at it, by evening them all up a sif they all had a clean race and same tyres. Seems a lot closer to me. Yes that will vary track to track

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#3203361 5-Mar-2024 13:56

Interesting Lewis said post quali that his car was setup for the race and they compromised on the quali.

So he now has an uncompetitive quali car and uncompetitive race care.

I don't know why i love hearing his despondent voice over the radio, even got a sad on that the Mclarens were faster than him.

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#3203422 5-Mar-2024 16:22

tdgeek:

I don't get the light years type of comments.

Max and Sergio had clean races. Carlos also had a clean race and was just a few seconds behind Sergio. That's close. Especially when RBR used new softs last stint, Sergio should have eased away from Carlos, but didnt.

Im just trying to look at it, by evening them all up a sif they all had a clean race and same tyres. Seems a lot closer to me. Yes that will vary track to track

""Mercedes boss Toto Wolff said: “I think Max is not in a different league, but is in a different galaxy. The performance is extraordinary.”

Asked if he felt that pointed to Red Bull winning all the races, Wolff said: “Unfortunately yes. You just need to just acknowledge his performance levels are really very strong.”"

It seems I have an ally for the light years comment. :) Like you, I'd like to see closer racing and the field closing up to Max. I just don't see that, admittedly on the basis of only one race weekend and pre-season testing. Sure, Sainz was relatively close to Checo at the end but the talk for the past twelve months has been that Checo isn't very good and needs to be replaced to maximise the performance of the second car. And, Checo was still 22.5 seconds behind Max at the end of the day.

We also don't really know whether either Max or Checo were driving at 10/10th's. I would suspect not once the 1-2 positions had been established, the engine modes would have been turned down to save the PU's. Sainz is also a fairly handy driver, and I would contend that Ferrari have kept the wrong one for 2025.

If RBR are looking to replace Checo next season then Sainz should be the guy they get, not Ricciardo. But until one of the other teams gets a car close enough to Verstappen for him to actually have to push the car properly hard, he's going to continue to cruise at whatever percentage less than 100 he has been driving for the past year or so.

Like I said in my earlier post, anything can still happen this season, I could be wrong and frequently am. But as I see things right now, the combination of the Newey car and Verstappen's driving skills are an order of magnitude above what the rest of the field are bringing to the table. Short of a mechanical failure for Max, I don't see him being beaten in the foreseeable. Looking forward, perhaps Singapore again? Red Bull will be hoping the RB20 solves their weakness at that circuit, but that's about it currently.

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#3203429 5-Mar-2024 17:02

I don't get the angle that Max wants out of Red Bull. Given the car they have I see no reason why he'd want to leave that.

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#3203430 5-Mar-2024 17:05

Jaxson:

I don't get the angle that Max wants out of Red Bull. Given the car they have I see no reason why he'd want to leave that.

I believe most of the rumour is coming from the fact that Jos is behind Max. To be honest there are far too many rumours now to even know what is remotely the truth regarding the driver market. I'm pretty sure Alex, Lando and Oscar are happy that they have confirmed contracts and can sit this silly season out.

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#3203444 5-Mar-2024 17:41

thermonuclear:

If RBR are looking to replace Checo next season then Sainz should be the guy they get, not Ricciardo.

Whilst I would agree with you there are three things I think means it wont happen:

Horner is clearly a Riccardio fanboi. If youve watched the most recent Drive to Survive series its massively evident he sees him as a Checco replacement
Sainz was in the Red Bull stable and left. Presumably recognizing he was never going to get into the Red Bull seat
He's strongly linked to Audi for when they enter. Doesnt surprise me with Andreas Seidle going there that thats the case.

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