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#1006968 16-Mar-2014 23:16

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how do auto-lands work, are instructions passed between the airport and the plane or is the plane autonomous ?

The aircraft navigation radios are tuned into a navigation radio station in this case a navigation aid called an ILS (Instrument Landing System), this system has been in use since the 1930's and provides very accurate horizontal and vertical signals to the aircraft. These signals are preset and checked on a regular basis. The ILS is coupled to the autopilot and is capable of guiding the aircraft onto the runway with the pilots monitoring the integrity of the signals and the progress of the aircraft. The aircraft is effectively autonomous.

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#1006980 17-Mar-2014 00:16

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Sideface: Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse ...

'Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 plane found in Bermuda Triangle!' Facebook links are profiting hackers

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-plane-found-in-bermuda-triangle-facebook-links-are-profiting-hackers-9194660.html

"Viral Facebook posts claiming the missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 flight has been found are pieces of malware and links to fake surveys posted by hackers, who are now profiting from people’s growing interest in the story. The posts contain videos that look legitimate and claim the plane has been found in various places, from the Bermuda Triangle to having been spotted at sea, with many stating its passengers are “alive” or “saved”.

I saw that being posted all over Facebook last week. It is very bad taste, and I think anyone distributing that need go take a hard look at themselves. The thing is that may people these days, esp the young have probably never heard of the BT , so think it cold be legit.

I think the fact they are posting malware in the first place shows they have no interest in self reflection, that ship has sailed long ago.

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#1007008 17-Mar-2014 07:21

I'm a little skeptical now that a political motivation is being investigated ...

Knowing the Malaysian government they can easily plant evidence and blame the opposition as being instigator and causation of the tragedy. Let's see how low they go to cover up ...

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#1007029 17-Mar-2014 09:08

My thoughts based on current information. Likely pilot suicide. Previous pilot suicide cases have been proven, if there was a desire to get a payout (life insurance) for family then the plane could not be found, otherwise there would never be a payout.

Crashing in the shallow waters of the South China Sea was not going to work, so the pilot has taken the southern rout into the middle of the Indian ocean where the likelihood of finding proof of his criminal act are a lot lower. Who has primary radar of the middle of the Indian ocean? Nobody I would think.

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#1007034 17-Mar-2014 09:20

joker97: I'm a little skeptical now that a political motivation is being investigated ...

Knowing the Malaysian government they can easily plant evidence and blame the opposition as being instigator and causation of the tragedy. Let's see how low they go to cover up ...

Actually the news that the Captain's an avid supporter of the jailed opposition leader, First Officer newly described as 'religious' strikes me more as media spin now that they're suspects rather than anything the govt would spin..

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#1007035 17-Mar-2014 09:22

Well who told the international media about that?

And bear in mind every mainstream media in malaysia is controlled by the government. Think of it as a gentle north Korea.

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#1007084 17-Mar-2014 10:06

Supposedly the pilot was crying in court when the decision to jail the ex PM was made
Doubt that would make me want to take out over 300 people and no doubt go against the principlals of being pilot
They say life is expendible in "those sort of countries" but I'm pretty sure adrenalin kicks in when you are about to die regardless of how rought your day has been.
At this stage I'm surprised they haven't blamed the Russians.
Perhaps thats next

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#1007098 17-Mar-2014 10:21

Assuming the flight has been deliberately interfered with and the suppositions of the radio systems being systematically shut down are correct and the aircrafts tracking after they lost contact is as reported, then this whole event has been very well planned. It's not something that happens on a whim. The Captain didn't decide to do it that morning just after his friend was jailed.

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#1007127 17-Mar-2014 10:43

itxtme: My thoughts based on current information. Likely pilot suicide. Previous pilot suicide cases have been proven, if there was a desire to get a payout (life insurance) for family then the plane could not be found, otherwise there would never be a payout.

Crashing in the shallow waters of the South China Sea was not going to work, so the pilot has taken the southern rout into the middle of the Indian ocean where the likelihood of finding proof of his criminal act are a lot lower. Who has primary radar of the middle of the Indian ocean? Nobody I would think.

I don't go along with a pilot suicide / life insurance theory.
Whoever was smart enough to disable the systems would know that what they were doing would eventually raise suspicions.

The pilot(s) would have presumably been rostered on flights over open deep ocean at other times, so why go to so much trouble (and risk of detection) on that particular flight?
I don't believe it was the beginnings of a 9/11 style attack - with intended target ie the Petronas Towers, as they would have been back there early in the morning - for maximum damage, they'd want to hit a target during peak business hours. It also doesn't add up that (presumably) muslim terrorists would want to hit a building in a muslim country.
With mainly Chinese nationals as passengers, then a terrorist act by ie Uighurs makes more sense to me, they'd issued threats, carried out other terrorist acts, and have links to Al Qaeda. The big hole in that is why not just drive the plane straight into the water as soon as they had control. We might never know if the plan was to ditch somewhere in the middle of the Indian Ocean, or they were going to try to get to some destination and try to drive home some message. If it was Al Qaeda involvement, then if they want inflict maximum terror - they'll do it again - within reason it doesn't matter where or when, just so long as they make the point that they can take airliners out of the sky when they want - it escalates this from something people can rationalise as a "one-off" and get on with their normal lives, to striking fear globally.

There are other reasons why the Malaysian govt would want to try to put blame on the pilot(s), the Malaysian Air Force is bungling/incompetent, Malaysian Airlines so incompetent as to not alert their air-force to an air emergency, airline security pathetic, border security hapless - it doesn't reflect well on them. I also wouldn't trust that the yanks are not motivated to twist perception of events - the Chinese are clearly not very happy, there's a battle for influence in the region, and supporting tin-pot "friendly" regimes is business as usual for uncle sam.

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#1007131 17-Mar-2014 10:52

The searchers have released information that gives position information based on the last received satellite pings.

If they have position information from theses pings, it stands to reason that they have the same information from earlier pings. Analysis of this information will give them an almost absolute assurance of which direction the aircraft was tracking. With the method they are using there will be always two possible solutions to each ping but there will only be one solution that is congruent to an aircrafts track.

You have to ask the question why they haven't released the data on the other pings.

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#1007153 17-Mar-2014 11:02

Technofreak: The searchers have released information that gives position information based on the last received satellite pings.

If they have position information from theses pings, it stands to reason that they have the same information from earlier pings. Analysis of this information will give them an almost absolute assurance of which direction the aircraft was tracking. With the method they are using there will be always two possible solutions to each ping but there will only be one solution that is congruent to an aircrafts track.

You have to ask the question why they haven't released the data on the other pings.

I wondered that when they explained the top and bottom arcs, how they came up with those. They said that they are reviewing other possible pings which would give them a rough flight path. As these were not available, is it a 72 hour job to analyse it? Very very weird.

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#1007158 17-Mar-2014 11:04

Fred99: If it was Al Qaeda involvement, then if they want inflict maximum terror - they'll do it again - within reason it doesn't matter where or when, just so long as they make the point that they can take airliners out of the sky when they want - it escalates this from something people can rationalise as a "one-off" and get on with their normal lives, to striking fear globally.

A plausible argument, but probably relies on slack passenger/passport screening to start with, which means flights out of places like Malaysia would be targeted since they have a history of poor border/passport security.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1445128/malaysia-airlines-has-previous-conviction-falsifying-passport-details

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#1007166 17-Mar-2014 11:17

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Technofreak: The searchers have released information that gives position information based on the last received satellite pings.

If they have position information from theses pings, it stands to reason that they have the same information from earlier pings. Analysis of this information will give them an almost absolute assurance of which direction the aircraft was tracking. With the method they are using there will be always two possible solutions to each ping but there will only be one solution that is congruent to an aircrafts track.

You have to ask the question why they haven't released the data on the other pings.

I wondered that when they explained the top and bottom arcs, how they came up with those. They said that they are reviewing other possible pings which would give them a rough flight path. As these were not available, is it a 72 hour job to analyse it? Very very weird.

Yep, very weird. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that a series of pings should provide a track, I'm sure that if they've been able to analyse the last pings they would have also analysed the earlier pings.

It's possible they're still "fishing", that's why they are holding back on information.

Let's suppose for a moment the aircraft has been hi jacked to a remote location, say one of the 'stans or Myanma, though I still consider this unlikely. They've published the two arcs as a way of showing progress and perhaps to let someone know they are closing in. In order to buy time while they gather more information or put 'assets' in place for a rescue they start concentrating on the pilot suicide crash in the Indian Ocean theory.

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#1007168 17-Mar-2014 11:17

I think the continued pinging for 7 hours also discounts the theory that the plane landed intact somewhere, as presumably it would have kept on pinging.

With the current information would the most likely theory be that it ditched in the Indian Ocean. Hopefully Australia has some primary radar capability extending into that search area to prove or disprove the potential southern track, and India has some primary radar from Andaman Islands or the subcontinent to pick up a trace on the western track.

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#1007169 17-Mar-2014 11:21

jonb: I think the continued pinging for 7 hours also discounts the theory that the plane landed intact somewhere, as presumably it would have kept on pinging.

With the current information would the most likely theory be that it carried along the southern arc, and ditched in the Indian Ocean. Hopefully Australia has some primary radar capability extending into that search area.

That seems the best theory, although just a theory. There will be debris, and spread over a wide area that they can reverse calculate based on the wind and currents in the last week and a half. They just need one piece of debris, or preferably a few to hone in.

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