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  # 1008518 18-Mar-2014 22:28
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freitasm: The next user to invoke Godwin's Law in this discussion I will lock it and ban without warning.

One warning was issued already via PM.

Good call. I was thinking about this after my last post, and that how (despite the nature of the thread) things have by and large been exceptionally good for over 23 pages. However, we seem to have reached a point where there seems to be a little bit of heat starting to creep in under a couple of collars - take a deep breath and keep it calm.

I'm finding this to be an excellent discussion and it's great to see the pro cons and cons of various theories being thrashed out, just don't start taking it personally or making it personal if you disagree with something. Carry on...

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  # 1008519 18-Mar-2014 22:28
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Fred99:
Technofreak: 

I'm not sure I'd call the home flight sim elaborate.  It was pretty well all screens, nothing else.  The halfway good ones have buttons and switches where the real buttons and switches are located, not just a computer screen which displays these items.

Yep the secure cockpit was a knee jerk reaction just like a lot of other security measures. All designed to make the travelling public feel safer without in many cases actually improving safety.  There's been cases of one pilot being deliberately locked out of the cockpit.  Solve one problem, create another.


Here's his home flight-sim setup:


I think I'd be more suspicious if he didn't have a flight sim 

 
 
 
 


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  # 1008522 18-Mar-2014 22:32
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Fred99:
Technofreak: 

I'm not sure I'd call the home flight sim elaborate.  It was pretty well all screens, nothing else.  The halfway good ones have buttons and switches where the real buttons and switches are located, not just a computer screen which displays these items.

Yep the secure cockpit was a knee jerk reaction just like a lot of other security measures. All designed to make the travelling public feel safer without in many cases actually improving safety.  There's been cases of one pilot being deliberately locked out of the cockpit.  Solve one problem, create another.


Here's his home flight-sim setup:



Yep I've seen that pic.

The throttle/power lever quadrant and control column look like you common Saitek flight sim stuff worth about $100.  Everything else is computer screens and a computer keyboard. Very basic even the MCP is a computer screen.

This is very basic the serious flight simmers have actual tactile MCP's with butons and knobs and and FMS input panel with actual buttons .

This is typical of what a serious flight simmer will build

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  # 1008527 18-Mar-2014 22:41
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Technofreak: 

The throttle/power lever quadrant and control column look like you common Saitek flight sim stuff worth about $100.  Everything else is computer screens and a computer keyboard. Very basic even the MCP is a computer screen.




Accepted - after (re)posting that image, I looked a bit harder, as it looked to me like there were three screens, and the overhead console and flight display were real, but yeah - they are screens.

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  # 1008538 18-Mar-2014 22:48
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Fred99:
Technofreak: 

The throttle/power lever quadrant and control column look like you common Saitek flight sim stuff worth about $100.  Everything else is computer screens and a computer keyboard. Very basic even the MCP is a computer screen.




Accepted - after (re)posting that image, I looked a bit harder, as it looked to me like there were three screens, and the overhead console and flight display were real, but yeah - they are screens.


No problem.  When I first looked at the pic I thought that some bits were real, but on closer inspection.........  Plus I'd seen what the serious guys have done so was able to compare.




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  # 1008618 19-Mar-2014 03:49
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http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062 

Local paper says residents of remote Maldives Island Kudahuvadhoo saw a low flying noisy jet on the 8th.



 
 
 
 


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  # 1008620 19-Mar-2014 06:07
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That suggests it may have crashed near the Seychelles.


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  # 1008635 19-Mar-2014 07:10
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  # 1008684 19-Mar-2014 08:31
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joker97: www.businessinsider.com.au/malaysia-plane-fire-2014-3 


But the US reported that the planes ACARS pings continued for many hours.
Before news about the pings, the Malaysians had reported an unidentified radar trace, which they lost at about the position of Pulau Perak - in the middle of the Malacca Strait.

So that fire theory doesn't work:
It depends on a cockpit fire severe enough to disable communications rapidly, but not severe enough to damage systems critical to keep the plane in the air - unpiloted.
If in the air for many hours (which seems to be an accepted fact now), then on the course to Pulau Perak, if it carried on, then the plane must have flown over Northern Sumatra - through Indonesian airspace. The Indonesians would have seen it.  If it turned right when it was over Pulau Perak - as suggested (and generally accepted) did happen - then somebody was at the controls.

To get around that, then like the other theories, you have to keep adding to the story (ie the Indonesian Air Force are hapless, the US was wrong about the pings, the plane coincidentally turned just at the right time to avoid flying straight over Indonesian airspace)

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  # 1008701 19-Mar-2014 08:52
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Geektastic: This is what happens when someone forgets to put their phone on Flight Mode.…


Ha! Yep, that kid in 64A playing Flight Sim on his ipad..

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  # 1008804 19-Mar-2014 10:41
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joker97:
Fred99:
joker97: this is all a wild goose chase. the horse has bolted. the horse began to bolt the minute the tracking system(s) were turned off. by the time anyone in Malaysia did anything it was too much too late.

if they airforce had followed the UFO we will know whether that was the plane or not.
if they had alerted all surrounding countries to check their radar we would know where the plane is today.

at the moment no one knows anything because the Malaysians were and probably still are drip feeding the world for a reason unknown.


Yup.
That's what you get from non-secular pseudo-democracies - an "orchestrated litany of lies".

While I've got my bigot hat on, a couple of things bother me about MH370.

I wouldn't particularity trust a 27YO copilot who still lives at home with mom and pop, living across the road from a mosque where he frequently worships, who likes to use his position to impress dumb aussie blondes.  Apart from the last bit, no doubt this makes him a "good boy", but IMO it's a bit weird.
The 52YO pilot, while probably the target for suspicion as his rather elaborate (understatement) home flight sim setup is a bit unusual, seems to have the hallmarks of being a serious geek (or nerd), but experienced, likable, and not of the typical age where one tends to be at risk of letting ideology get the better of you.
I don't trust the "secure cockpit" setup - it's a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11, but which presents other practical problems, with potential opportunities for "rogue pilots".


this is where i must vehementy object. just because a man frequents a mosque does not make him an extremist. he might turn out to be, but you cannot judge a man who frequents a mosque.

there is a guy in moscow (pronounced MARS-quar) who does not frequent a mosque.
there is a guy near pyongyang who keeps wanting to annihilate the USA who does not frequent a mosque.

i'm sorry that's not fair. period.


I disagree. Surely we are free to judge people by any criteria we determine?





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  # 1008840 19-Mar-2014 11:20
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Absolutely mate, this is a free world. Anyone is free to do whatever pleases them to whoever they like.




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  # 1008901 19-Mar-2014 12:12
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joker97: Absolutely mate, this is a free world. Anyone is free to do whatever pleases them to whoever they like.


Sadly not. However they ARE free to judge people by their own criteria, surely?





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