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  #1009451 19-Mar-2014 23:06
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turnin: Certain rhetoric used in that interview tells me it's going to be a very busy year for the Us military.


Now why would you say that? cool





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Technofreak: Interesting interview here with some very interesting observations.  Though you do have to temper the conclusions with the fact this has come out of the US where they can be a little one eyed about their ability and importance.  However he makes a plausible case.

He says Boeing/Rolls Royce know the aircraft is in Pakistan.

He asks; Why has the US Navy pulled back their efforts in the India Ocean? Why has Israel stepped up security? He says because they know something.

He claims the the HF and VHF radios were never turned off. How does he know that, were there other transmissions?  He talks about the "great US vacuum cleaner" sucking up all sorts of information. 

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/18/lt-gen-mcinerney-flight-370-could-have-landed-pakistan



It won't be in Pakistan.  Fox news are abject dolts - and I won't bother to read that article because it will be nonsense.  China (most of the passengers were Chinese) is a strategic ally of Pakistan in that region.  The chance that Pakistan would have allowed an unidentified airliner enter and land in it's territory after it had been in Indian airspace is zero.  The chance that it could have got that far undetected is zero.


Perhaps you might like to watch the video first.   No one said it went through Indian airspace.  I don't think the nationality of the passengers will make any difference.


I'm not watching the video - it will be a waste of time.
I conceded - and clicked the link, read "could have landed in Pakistan to be used for terrorism" and fell off my chair laughing.


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Technofreak: Interesting interview here with some very interesting observations.  Though you do have to temper the conclusions with the fact this has come out of the US where they can be a little one eyed about their ability and importance.  However he makes a plausible case.

He says Boeing/Rolls Royce know the aircraft is in Pakistan.

He asks; Why has the US Navy pulled back their efforts in the India Ocean? Why has Israel stepped up security? He says because they know something.

He claims the the HF and VHF radios were never turned off. How does he know that, were there other transmissions?  He talks about the "great US vacuum cleaner" sucking up all sorts of information. 

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/18/lt-gen-mcinerney-flight-370-could-have-landed-pakistan



It won't be in Pakistan.  Fox news are abject dolts - and I won't bother to read that article because it will be nonsense.  China (most of the passengers were Chinese) is a strategic ally of Pakistan in that region.  The chance that Pakistan would have allowed an unidentified airliner enter and land in it's territory after it had been in Indian airspace is zero.  The chance that it could have got that far undetected is zero.

While I'm sure that the US may not be telling us "everything" - his suggestion that Rolls Royce "know" something is BS - this isn't a James Bond movie, and the WSJ have retracted their comment that RR was monitoring MH370 pings/engine data anyway.  The WSJ clearly had a good "source", but didn't have their original report correct.


That's right I forgot, isn't Pakistan an ally of the US in the war against terror? Also they didn't know Osama Bin Laden was just down the road from one of their military barracks? Yeah right. If it's in Pakistan there's a better than even chance someone of importance knew it was coming




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  #1009470 19-Mar-2014 23:58
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turnin: Certain rhetoric used in that interview tells me it's going to be a very busy year for the Us military.


Now why would you say that? cool



Well mainly because I see a guy on Fox News pretending not to be speaking officially and he's either telling the truth or he's not. In both scenarios the US will be busy in various parts of the globe this year. I think I should leave it at that :)

If he is saying things like that, the only thing I can be certain of is it certainly hasn't crashed into the ocean!

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  #1009530 20-Mar-2014 06:26
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Technofreak: 
She also says flight MH370 had 5 hours 50 min of fuel, when in fact the actual fuel load hasn't been disclosed other than saying the normal fuel load. A lot of airlnes tanker fuel to Beijing so it could have had over 12 hours of fuel.


Actually, what I read was that it "had been fuelled for a 5h 50min flight" (5h 50min was the planned duration of the flight to Beijing) which is slightly different.... There would also have been enough fuel to get to an alternate plus a reserve... I'd guess that would add up to about 7.5 hours of fuel.



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  #1009553 20-Mar-2014 08:30
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Watched the TVNZ coverage of this event on breakfast this morning. What credence can we put in the accuracy of their reporting when they can't even get the name of our own air force correct. Calling it the NZRAF in both the commentary and the ticker under the RNZAF Squadron Leader being interviewed.

I guess it is understandable the name was only changed in 1937.




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Dingbatt: Watched the TVNZ coverage of this event on breakfast this morning. What credence can we put in the accuracy of their reporting when they can't even get the name of our own air force correct. Calling it the NZRAF in both the commentary and the ticker under the RNZAF Squadron Leader being interviewed.

I guess it is understandable the name was only changed in 1937.


Yes the poor old RNZAF.. having to do so much with so little..
We forget all about them until we need some huge trackless area of the Southern Oceans searched.



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  #1009625 20-Mar-2014 09:53
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Technofreak:
Fred99:
Technofreak: Interesting interview here with some very interesting observations.  Though you do have to temper the conclusions with the fact this has come out of the US where they can be a little one eyed about their ability and importance.  However he makes a plausible case.

He says Boeing/Rolls Royce know the aircraft is in Pakistan.

He asks; Why has the US Navy pulled back their efforts in the India Ocean? Why has Israel stepped up security? He says because they know something.

He claims the the HF and VHF radios were never turned off. How does he know that, were there other transmissions?  He talks about the "great US vacuum cleaner" sucking up all sorts of information. 

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/18/lt-gen-mcinerney-flight-370-could-have-landed-pakistan



It won't be in Pakistan.  Fox news are abject dolts - and I won't bother to read that article because it will be nonsense.  China (most of the passengers were Chinese) is a strategic ally of Pakistan in that region.  The chance that Pakistan would have allowed an unidentified airliner enter and land in it's territory after it had been in Indian airspace is zero.  The chance that it could have got that far undetected is zero.

While I'm sure that the US may not be telling us "everything" - his suggestion that Rolls Royce "know" something is BS - this isn't a James Bond movie, and the WSJ have retracted their comment that RR was monitoring MH370 pings/engine data anyway.  The WSJ clearly had a good "source", but didn't have their original report correct.


That's right I forgot, isn't Pakistan an ally of the US in the war against terror? Also they didn't know Osama Bin Laden was just down the road from one of their military barracks? Yeah right. If it's in Pakistan there's a better than even chance someone of importance knew it was coming


There is a huge difference between apparently not helping the US find OBL and an orchestrated plot to hijack an airliner to use as a WMD.

Pakistan has nuclear weapons.  They could just go an buy a cheap old 747 or DC10 etc freighter near the end of it's use-by date and fill it with explosives if they wanted to launch a crude attack somewhere. Pakistan is very titchy about intrusions to it's air space - and they have a massive air force.  Pakistan has all kinds of issues in it's border regions.  I'd expect that Pakistan has more US satellite surveillance per square mile than anywhere else on the planet.  To land a 777 somewhere is one thing, to load it up with 100 tonnes of fuel and take off again from some "unknown airport" is quite another. OBL's 9/11 attacks were extremely effective, because they hijacked more than one plane, because they didn't have to cross borders, because the targets were close to where the planes were hijacked.  One B777 "WMD" hidden in Pakistan is a waste of time.
If you're implying that Pakistan might do anything to facilitate a hi-jacking by Uighurs, then it's also nuts.  They'd lose their strongest ally.

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If he is saying things like that, the only thing I can be certain of is it certainly hasn't crashed into the ocean!


I don't now what to make of his statements.  Was he looking for his "5 minutes of fame"?  Was Fox looking for someone with a name to make a statement like this, true or not?

What did Retired Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney know?  What has he just deduced? What is his background and how much credibility did he have to start with?  He held some pretty high ranking positions as a Lieutenant General. He infers he has still contacts in the military, most likely he has.

My gut feeling is he's not likely to deliberately make a fool of himself. Why, he will still have a cadre of friends from his time in the military and won't want to be seen to have been a fool in their eyes.

I agree if what he says has any credibility, notice I say IF, the I have to agree it's not likely to be in the ocean.




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Fred99: 
There is a huge difference between apparently not helping the US find OBL and an orchestrated plot to hijack an airliner to use as a WMD.

Pakistan has nuclear weapons.  They could just go an buy a cheap old 747 or DC10 etc freighter near the end of it's use-by date and fill it with explosives if they wanted to launch a crude attack somewhere. Pakistan is very titchy about intrusions to it's air space - and they have a massive air force.  Pakistan has all kinds of issues in it's border regions.  I'd expect that Pakistan has more US satellite surveillance per square mile than anywhere else on the planet.  To land a 777 somewhere is one thing, to load it up with 100 tonnes of fuel and take off again from some "unknown airport" is quite another. OBL's 9/11 attacks were extremely effective, because they hijacked more than one plane, because they didn't have to cross borders, because the targets were close to where the planes were hijacked.  One B777 "WMD" hidden in Pakistan is a waste of time.
If you're implying that Pakistan might do anything to facilitate a hi-jacking by Uighurs, then it's also nuts.  They'd lose their strongest ally.


I agree with most of what you say here however.......... I don't think we are talking about Uighurs here.

My point about the OBL episode is there is a lot of support for the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Pakistan, some of this support has to be coming from within the military.  I'm not suggesting for one minute that there is any official support for an action as suggested in that video.  However it is entirely possible there are some high ranking people who would be quite happy to help facilitate such an event for the Taliban or Al Qaeda.

Yep, they could buy an old aircraft probably, but they don't create the level off fear/anxiety/expense that this event has caused by just buying an old aircraft. Terrorists trade on fear. If this is a hi jacking/theft and it is a big IF, they haven't spent any real money yet but have so far caused a fair bit of grief and expense and they may still have an aircraft to use as a weapon.




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  #1009685 20-Mar-2014 11:00
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The Russians have it.

While we are all looking for the plane, they are taking the Crimea.

/tin foil hat,

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trig42: The Russians have it.

While we are all looking for the plane, they are taking the Crimea.

/tin foil hat,


That theory makes about as much sense as some other out there.

I see that now they seem to be backing away from the assertion that the aircraft flew via the various waypoints. 




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  #1009714 20-Mar-2014 11:31
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They are the mighty Malaysian government. They just evolved a better theory to fit the situation, that's all.




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  #1009741 20-Mar-2014 11:47
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Just watched that video above.

My question is,

Why is a us general revealing things that his government aren't?

Ok let's say he is authorised to say whatever his government's secret services know, then surely it's a matter of hours before Pakistan owns up to seeing it on their radar?

Finally how do they know that the plane had their radio live and working?




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joker97: Just watched that video above.

My question is,

Why is a us general revealing things that his government aren't?

Ok let's say he is authorised to say whatever his government's secret services know, then surely it's a matter of hours before Pakistan owns up to seeing it on their radar?

Finally how do they know that the plane had their radio live and working?


I think he's just joining some dots, and making an 'educated' guess.

How do they know the radios were working? I wondered that too. There is only one way they could know for sure, the radios had to have been used after MH370 went missing. He talks of the great American vacuum cleaner, perhaps there is something in that comment.

Until they find wreckage and the FDR or they find an intact aircraft we're not going to know what has happened.




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