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# 1010290 20-Mar-2014 23:01

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it only takes o few seconds to select heading mode and change heading or use a nearest then direct to function, nothing complicated or time consuming.

The auto pilot will happily keep going where it has been told to fly

Which would have been straight over Indonesian airspace and not consistent with ACARS pings, nor radar.
So - it almost certainly didn't happen that way.

I don't think we can say anything almost happened for certain.

I admit that what I think is only a theory. There has been so much contradictory information it's hard to be sure of anything.. While my theory is along way from being proven there is no incontravertable to disprove it either.

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# 1010293 20-Mar-2014 23:08

The thing is that I can't see any any signs that anyone official with this, sees the cause as having anything to do with any form of aircraft fault. Otherwise wouldn't they be grounding planes, and people would refuse to fly on this model of plane, until the cause was known. Infact everything the officials have said so far, has pointed to fault at some people on the plane for the reason why it was taken off course.

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# 1010296 20-Mar-2014 23:14

Technofreak: networkn

it only takes o few seconds to select heading mode and change heading or use a nearest then direct to function, nothing complicated or time consuming.

The auto pilot will happily keep going where it has been told to fly

Well not according to many reports and to the pilot I spoke to about it. Also, they have seconds to plot a course, but not to drop the altitude of the plane? Far FAR too many holes in that theory sorry.

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# 1010374 21-Mar-2014 07:41

networkn:

Well not according to many reports and to the pilot I spoke to about it. Also, they have seconds to plot a course, but not to drop the altitude of the plane? Far FAR too many holes in that theory sorry.

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Course changes while in a decompressed state would go against any of their training.

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# 1010442 21-Mar-2014 10:30

Sounddude:
networkn:

Well not according to many reports and to the pilot I spoke to about it. Also, they have seconds to plot a course, but not to drop the altitude of the plane? Far FAR too many holes in that theory sorry.

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Course changes while in a decompressed state would go against any of their training.

How do you know what the training procedures are? My guess is you're just guessing and you don't actually know what the procedures would be.

in simple terms for your info it's
aviate i.e. Control the aircraft put O2 masks on,
navigate, i.e. Ensure the aircraft is clear of terrain and start heading for an airfield,
communicate, they didn't have time in this case

neworkn, what holes are you referring too? This pilot considers the incapacitation theory quite possible and so do many of my fellow pilot colleagues.

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# 1010443 21-Mar-2014 10:32

mattwnz: The thing is that I can't see any any signs that anyone official with this, sees the cause as having anything to do with any form of aircraft fault. Otherwise wouldn't they be grounding planes, and people would refuse to fly on this model of plane, until the cause was known. Infact everything the officials have said so far, has pointed to fault at some people on the plane for the reason why it was taken off course.

A suggestion that there is a fault with the plane or airline could have huge economic repercussions. So investigators are very careful to NOT suggest a fault with the plane or airline or ATC unless there is clear evidence. Rightly so, and especially in this case when there is so little evidence of what actually occurred, and there is so much hype and speculation going on. However, even when there is good evidence, they may be pressured to give some other explanation e.g. pilot error. (e.g. DH Comet, Erebus enquiry).

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# 1010449 21-Mar-2014 10:40

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mattwnz: The thing is that I can't see any any signs that anyone official with this, sees the cause as having anything to do with any form of aircraft fault. Otherwise wouldn't they be grounding planes, and people would refuse to fly on this model of plane, until the cause was known. Infact everything the officials have said so far, has pointed to fault at some people on the plane for the reason why it was taken off course.

A suggestion that there is a fault with the plane or airline could have huge economic repercussions. So investigators are very careful to NOT suggest a fault with the plane or airline or ATC unless there is clear evidence. Rightly so, and especially in this case when there is so little evidence of what actually occurred, and there is so much hype and speculation going on. However, even when there is good evidence, they may be pressured to give some other explanation e.g. pilot error. (e.g. DH Comet, Erebus enquiry).

I'd go as far to say that there is no evidence at all as to who, what, or how this has happened. The air safety authorities will have no issue grounding aircraft, it has happened before, as has grounding an airline.

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# 1010472 21-Mar-2014 11:01

frankv: A suggestion that there is a fault with the plane or airline could have huge economic repercussions. ...

So could a suggestion that there is a fault with the pilot(s).

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# 1010511 21-Mar-2014 11:47

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How do you know what the training procedures are? My guess is you're just guessing and you don't actually know what the procedures would be.

I have family members who are 777 captains and 2nd officers.

I myself have fight training and have logged some 777 sim time.

I have also been in the cockpit of a boeing test flight, which demonstrated those procedures as part of testing the plane.

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# 1010553 21-Mar-2014 12:46

Sounddude:

How do you know what the training procedures are? My guess is you're just guessing and you don't actually know what the procedures would be.

I have family members who are 777 captains and 2nd officers.

I myself have fight training and have logged some 777 sim time.

I have also been in the cockpit of a boeing test flight, which demonstrated those procedures as part of testing the plane.

Burn!!! ha ha, good work!

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# 1010565 21-Mar-2014 13:17

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As MH370 lumbered off runway 32R and disappeared into the humid darkness, a car started and turned to head into downtown Kuala Lumpur. “A” Team's job was complete.

The 777 continued it's climb as the Pilot and first officer cycled through their checks, unaware that the cyanide filled cannister in the console between their seats was counting down the seconds before it would disable the transponder and fill the cockpit with instantly poisonous gas.

Back among the FSL passengers Mr X felt a wave of relief, he was safely on his way to Beijing, where he'd pass over the chips to his handler and be done with this whole messy deal.

On the outskirts of that city, the 2 Mossad agents who were “team B” checked the battery charge on their MANPAD.
If plan A failed and the aircraft didn't follow it's suicidal pre programmed course to the Southern Indian Ocean, their job was to shoot it down, using equipment easily tied to the Uighur seperatist group in the North.

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# 1010569 21-Mar-2014 13:20

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Very good summary here, including a detailed graphic of why the search is being performed in that particular area of the Indian ocean

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# 1010723 21-Mar-2014 16:54

I have noticed the media are creating concerning headlines about this now, to keep the story alive, such as this one on Stuff, which implies that someone possibly saw the wreckage a week a go
Was MH370 spotted a week ago? But if you read the story, this wreckage or whatever it is, was never spotted, it was just a suggestion to search in that area.

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# 1010865 21-Mar-2014 21:44

So is it that the thing spotted off Australia turned out to be nothing?

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# 1010867 21-Mar-2014 21:47

i always believe if you find one debris on satellite you should see more debris on satellite. one debris is not debris, surely. that's hoping against hope.

Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.

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