MH370 - Call for Search & Rescue Help

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# 1012224 25-Mar-2014 09:19

News UPDATE

March 25: Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has confirmed that flight MH370 ended its flight in a remote part of the Southern Indian Ocean west of Perth, Australia. Speaking to a press conference at 3am New Zealand time, Mr Razak said new satellite data revealed that the plane had taken the southern corridor route and crashed into the sea. Here is his full statement.

Relatives shrieked and sobbed uncontrollably and some were rushed out on stretchers after Malaysia's prime minister revealed there was no longer any doubt that Flight 370 went down in the southern Indian Ocean.

Meanwhile, the HMAS Success is in the area and attempting to recover objects seen by a Royal Australian Air Force P3 Orion, and a US Navy P8 Poseidon, a second RAAF Orion and a Japanese Orion are also en route to try to find items.

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# 1012234 25-Mar-2014 09:22

RIP to all those on board. Hopefully in the fullness of time what has occurred will be made clear and the families can find some peace.

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# 1012247 25-Mar-2014 09:34

Well, this is an unfortunate event.

I am interested in how this all happened and I hope that new technology will be created and added to aircraft to help in the prevention of this in the future.

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# 1012250 25-Mar-2014 09:35

pbgben: Well, this is an unfortunate event.

I am interested in how this all happened and I hope that new technology will be created and added to aircraft to help in the prevention of this in the future.

Well they have prevention for air crashes already, but I'd be keen to ensure planes are kept closer tracked from now on.

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# 1012252 25-Mar-2014 09:38

Knowing the probability of its location unfortunately is not going to give the family closure until the Black Box etc is found, that may take years. Maybe than can start the grieving process, I feel for each and everyone of them and hope they are given the privacy to cope.

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# 1012253 25-Mar-2014 09:42

It will certainly be interesting to see what implications this has for the world wide aircraft fleet. Pretty much anything on an aircraft can be turned off (with a switch and a circuit breaker) due to fire risk. A continuous tracking device inaccessible from the flight deck would create some implementation headaches.

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# 1012254 25-Mar-2014 09:42

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KiwiNZ: Knowing the probability of its location unfortunately is not going to give the family closure until the Black Box etc is found, that may take years. Maybe than can start the grieving process, I feel for each and everyone of them and hope they are given the privacy to cope.

Well, there is no real evidence, still, yet they announced the crash, presumably to give some closure. Its a stark announcement as we continue to hear about debris that no one can locate, and the speculation over the whole situation

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# 1012294 25-Mar-2014 10:32

tdgeek:
KiwiNZ: Knowing the probability of its location unfortunately is not going to give the family closure until the Black Box etc is found, that may take years. Maybe than can start the grieving process, I feel for each and everyone of them and hope they are given the privacy to cope.

Well, there is no real evidence, still, yet they announced the crash, presumably to give some closure. Its a stark announcement as we continue to hear about debris that no one can locate, and the speculation over the whole situation

News overnight is that they have found objects consistent with the craft and debris consistent with an aircraft crash and have sent HMS Success to confirm. The sightings must have been particularly credible for the PM of a country to make a statement. I believe for the first time, they are saying less than they know, but that they know where the craft is.

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# 1012310 25-Mar-2014 10:44

networkn:
tdgeek:
KiwiNZ: Knowing the probability of its location unfortunately is not going to give the family closure until the Black Box etc is found, that may take years. Maybe than can start the grieving process, I feel for each and everyone of them and hope they are given the privacy to cope.

Well, there is no real evidence, still, yet they announced the crash, presumably to give some closure. Its a stark announcement as we continue to hear about debris that no one can locate, and the speculation over the whole situation

News overnight is that they have found objects consistent with the craft and debris consistent with an aircraft crash and have sent HMS Success to confirm. The sightings must have been particularly credible for the PM of a country to make a statement. I believe for the first time, they are saying less than they know, but that they know where the craft is.

Any debris found now will be many many nautical miles from any crash site, it will be a big task to back track currents etc to try and locate the impact point, this will be further complicated by the cyclone that has been in the area.

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# 1012311 25-Mar-2014 10:45

networkn:
pbgben: Well, this is an unfortunate event.

I am interested in how this all happened and I hope that new technology will be created and added to aircraft to help in the prevention of this in the future.

Well they have prevention for air crashes already, but I'd be keen to ensure planes are kept closer tracked from now on.

Yes, a very unfortunate event.

From a prevention point of view locating the Black Box will be vitally important. To this end the Australians dispatched an ROV via ship from Sydney several days ago and the US is sending equipment to locate the Black Boxes. What is most concerning is the Malaysians were told by Inmarsat, 2 days after the aircraft went missing, where the aircraft was almost certainly to be. Inmarsat were told to go through other channels with their information and eventually became frustrated with the lack of action on their information.

You have to wonder why the Aussies and Kiwis and I think the US redeployed to Perth well before there was any official acknowledgement the aircraft could be in this area. The search in the Indian Ocean should have been taking place two weeks ago. I wonder when the finger pointing will start.

From a location point of view, it appears there was equipment (while that was never it's designed purpose) that did provide information. However aviation is moving away from total reliance on terrestrial surveillance and incorporating satellite based systems as well. Like anything the development of standards for interoperability, certification standards etc takes time. With aviation this time is always longer than other industries due to the need for more exhaustive testing.

One thing that also has to be remembered, it will be impossible to think of every conceivable situation, so to think we can be sure we will stop something like this from ever happening again is fruitless.

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# 1012313 25-Mar-2014 10:48

networkn:
tdgeek:
KiwiNZ: Knowing the probability of its location unfortunately is not going to give the family closure until the Black Box etc is found, that may take years. Maybe than can start the grieving process, I feel for each and everyone of them and hope they are given the privacy to cope.

Well, there is no real evidence, still, yet they announced the crash, presumably to give some closure. Its a stark announcement as we continue to hear about debris that no one can locate, and the speculation over the whole situation

News overnight is that they have found objects consistent with the craft and debris consistent with an aircraft crash and have sent HMS Success to confirm. The sightings must have been particularly credible for the PM of a country to make a statement. I believe for the first time, they are saying less than they know, but that they know where the craft is.

To me, its a gesture to give closure, nothing more, and thats not a bad thing. Apart that some are now asking for the proof.

Unless they are now gewtting better info on the debris and understating it

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# 1012314 25-Mar-2014 10:49

I still think this was likely a potential hijacking or interference with the crew. They really need to lock the cockpit when the plane reaches an altitude of 1000M, which prevents people getting access to the cockpit, removes any choice the pilot has to be co-ocerced into opening the cockpit, and pretty much does away with any hijacking (Since access to the cockpit is the only reason to hijack a plane).

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# 1012315 25-Mar-2014 10:51

tdgeek:
networkn:
tdgeek:
KiwiNZ: Knowing the probability of its location unfortunately is not going to give the family closure until the Black Box etc is found, that may take years. Maybe than can start the grieving process, I feel for each and everyone of them and hope they are given the privacy to cope.

Well, there is no real evidence, still, yet they announced the crash, presumably to give some closure. Its a stark announcement as we continue to hear about debris that no one can locate, and the speculation over the whole situation

News overnight is that they have found objects consistent with the craft and debris consistent with an aircraft crash and have sent HMS Success to confirm. The sightings must have been particularly credible for the PM of a country to make a statement. I believe for the first time, they are saying less than they know, but that they know where the craft is.

To me, its a gesture to give closure, nothing more, and thats not a bad thing. Apart that some are now asking for the proof.

Unless they are now gewtting better info on the debris and understating it

If I was family in this situation, I would consider someone claiming a particular outcome without proof to be criminal negligence, I couldn't see them making such claims without assailable proof.

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# 1012316 25-Mar-2014 10:51

i don't think the black box could help more than one bit. they say it only records the last 2 hours. you could tell what happened 2 hours upto point of impact, but might not know why.

first of all they need to find the box - may never be found!

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# 1012324 25-Mar-2014 11:09

The whole thing is just extremely bizarre.

The political party in Malaysia the pilot was associated with is a reform party - eg; among other things the leader believes homosexuality should be decriminalised. ie; not the kind of party that attracts many fundamentalists. Of course the pilot could just be plain crazy but this is not the profile of a terrorist.

Pilot getting a call from an unregistered sim? In a country where you have to register a prepaid sim with the government at time of purchase I'm sure unregistered sims are very common.

Other hijackers on board gaining cockpit access? No credible claim of responsibility so far it seems. If you learned to fly a 7xx would you not use the radio to announce your cause prior to destruction?

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