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# 1020092 7-Apr-2014 17:17

Oblivian: Air force dude has since had a press conference and confirmed multiple contacts with said devices, 'consistent with both the CVR and BlackBox'

I am exiled from the news (havent seen F1 result yet...watching when home) but did I see some reference to different locations of the ping-finder located pings?

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# 1020096 7-Apr-2014 17:25

Oblivian: Air force dude has since had a press conference and confirmed multiple contacts with said devices, 'consistent with both the CVR and BlackBox'

Remarkable if it turns out to be true.
IIRC that was the aussies - who were towing a pinger locator, so hopefully might be able to triangulate a position.
The odds against finding the black boxes must be very low - hopefully they got lucky.

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# 1020097 7-Apr-2014 17:27

Some 600Ks appart. Chinese are in the south, aussies in the north.

http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr_012-1.jpg

Release is confident in the 2 separate northern contacts. But playing it like Malaysia should have rather than believing everything in the chinese media straight off and repeating it..

They stress it is not confirmed related to the search. But consistent with signals from a box. Until there is hard evidence its related

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# 1020099 7-Apr-2014 17:30

Area is 4kms deep too. On the shallower side.

The tow-unit has a bit of a hard time doing a double back. It drags the ~6000m line behind

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# 1020105 7-Apr-2014 17:37

The US ship that picked up the pinger with the echo sounds the most credible lead. But it still seems far fetched that they have found it this way without any wreakage, and odds of finding it this way must have been very very low.
I makes me wonder if they managed to land it on the water, and it then sunk intack or in large pieces. Also the fact they now believe the person flying the plane flew around Indonesia on purpose indicates that someone was in control of the aircraft.

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# 1020116 7-Apr-2014 17:52

mattwnz: Also the fact they now believe the person flying the plane flew around Indonesia on purpose indicates that someone was in control of the aircraft.

It's remarkable that they took until now to reach that conclusion. That was said in this thread weeks ago - it could hardly have been any other case once the pings picked up by Inmarsat confirmed that the plane was in the air for many hours after it otherwise "disappeared".

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# 1020119 7-Apr-2014 18:01

Fred99:
mattwnz: Also the fact they now believe the person flying the plane flew around Indonesia on purpose indicates that someone was in control of the aircraft.

It's remarkable that they took until now to reach that conclusion. That was said in this thread weeks ago - it could hardly have been any other case once the pings picked up by Inmarsat confirmed that the plane was in the air for many hours after it otherwise "disappeared".

Possibly it was just speculation then, but didn't they work this out from the calculations they made from the pings?

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# 1020124 7-Apr-2014 18:29

Lets hope that thing can transmit for long enough for them to pinpoint it, sounds like they are close.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/9913468/Potential-breakthrough-in-black-box-hunt

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# 1020131 7-Apr-2014 18:33

Fred99:
It's remarkable that they took until now to reach that conclusion. That was said in this thread weeks ago - it could hardly have been any other case once the pings picked up by Inmarsat confirmed that the plane was in the air for many hours after it otherwise "disappeared".

I don't see how you can categorically say that. Google - Payne Stewart Lear Jet crash - to see how long that aircraft flew without any human input.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash

I am still sceptical of the primary radar info and the suggested evasive tracking after all of the other "false" information.

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# 1020148 7-Apr-2014 18:45

"Opposition Leader Anwar claims authorities are 'hiding information'"

NZ Herald

Regards,

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# 1020192 7-Apr-2014 19:51

Technofreak:
Fred99:
It's remarkable that they took until now to reach that conclusion. That was said in this thread weeks ago - it could hardly have been any other case once the pings picked up by Inmarsat confirmed that the plane was in the air for many hours after it otherwise "disappeared".

I don't see how you can categorically say that. Google - Payne Stewart Lear Jet crash - to see how long that aircraft flew without any human input.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash

I am still sceptical of the primary radar info and the suggested evasive tracking after all of the other "false" information.

It's easy to say (almost categorically) that MH370 doesn't fit that pattern.
After loss of transponder signal, ACARS off, no radio communication, it (had) turned left, flew over the Malay peninsula, turned right in the middle of the Malacca strait (this avoiding Indonesian airspace), then turned left on an eventual course to the S Indian Ocean.

I'm also deeply skeptical of the primary radar "official" information. These idiots will have military radar which must have picked up MH370 - and they will have known this almost right from the start. That would have given them clues and saved time - as now (if...) there's a pinger signal, time is running out to locate them before the batteries expire.
It's very important that as much information as possible can be retrieved. The whole thing seems to be have been hobbled by secret war business. Even the Aussies have OTHR, which might have picked up MH370, but as the flight path is outside the "official" range of that system, even the aussies probably don;t want to talk about it.

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# 1020305 7-Apr-2014 23:12

Fred99:

It's easy to say (almost categorically) that MH370 doesn't fit that pattern.
After loss of transponder signal, ACARS off, no radio communication, it (had) turned left, flew over the Malay peninsula, turned right in the middle of the Malacca strait (this avoiding Indonesian airspace), then turned left on an eventual course to the S Indian Ocean.

How do you know for certain it tracked over the Malay peninsula and turned right to avoid Indonesian airspace?

I'm also deeply skeptical of the primary radar "official" information. These idiots will have military radar which must have picked up MH370 - and they will have known this almost right from the start. That would have given them clues and saved time - as now (if...) there's a pinger signal, time is running out to locate them before the batteries expire.
It's very important that as much information as possible can be retrieved. The whole thing seems to be have been hobbled by secret war business. Even the Aussies have OTHR, which might have picked up MH370, but as the flight path is outside the "official" range of that system, even the aussies probably don;t want to talk about it.

I agree that it's highly likely vital information has been withheld by some countries "in the interests of national security".

I have read that the Aussie OTHR doesn't work well at night due to the frequency range it operates in and the skip distances of those frequencies at night. Also I've also read it is really designed to detect shipping not aircraft.

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# 1020315 7-Apr-2014 23:49

Oblivian: Air force dude has since had a press conference and confirmed multiple contacts with said devices, 'consistent with both the CVR and BlackBox'

air force dude has said a lot of things ... *yawn* ... wake me up when they find something ...

Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.

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# 1020319 7-Apr-2014 23:55

yeah this will be a long process like salvaging the Rena.

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# 1020322 8-Apr-2014 00:05

joker97:
Oblivian: Air force dude has since had a press conference and confirmed multiple contacts with said devices, 'consistent with both the CVR and BlackBox'

air force dude has said a lot of things ... *yawn* ... wake me up when they find something ...

At least he has, and its accurate. Unlike the lack of official information and inaccurate crud we have been use to reading and believing prior to him stepping in.

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