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#152044 14-Sep-2014 11:20
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I see the report from EY has been released.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11323251 

The very interesting part of the article for me was this

At least a year since being commissioned, the EY report published today builds the case for a project that WIAL's 66 percent owner Infratil would seek to have substantially funded by local and central government.


The owners want local and central government funding yet are quite happy to make extortionate profits on the back of taxpayer and ratepayer funding. It's a great business model if you can make it work.

This is a classic example of why some infrastructure shouldn't be privatised.





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  #1128271 14-Sep-2014 12:55
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Still don't know why Wellington needs a full international airport.


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  #1128290 14-Sep-2014 13:42
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old3eyes: Still don't know why Wellington needs a full international airport.


I tend to agree.  It's the old NZ problem of everyone wanting an international airport in  their city.

However in Wellingtons case as it is the Capital city, and isn't with in a easy drive time like Canberra for example is from Sydney, I think there is a case for international access.  Having said that what it has now is probably adequate.

Lavish spend ups on needless runway extensions at the ratepayer, taxpayers, airport users expense is not on.  Then Infratil want their cake and eat it into the bargain. 

 
 
 
 


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  #1128295 14-Sep-2014 13:47
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The population of New Zealand can really only afford one International airport.

I see the offending post has disappeared. That was quick.




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  #1128299 14-Sep-2014 13:50
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I don't really think they need an international airport past QLD/NSW and the Pacific Islands. If they want to go further, it's not that hard to fly to Auckland or Christchurch.




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  #1128312 14-Sep-2014 14:23
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old3eyes: Still don't know why Wellington needs a full international airport.


1. It's the capital and it is ridiculous that it is not an international airport.
2. The annual revenue it will bring to the region is considerable.
3. It is key for economic growth. 

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  #1128313 14-Sep-2014 14:30
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KiwiNZ:
old3eyes: Still don't know why Wellington needs a full international airport.


1. It's the capital and it is ridiculous that it is not an international airport.
2. The annual revenue it will bring to the region is considerable.
3. It is key for economic growth. 


To comment on your points
1:  It is an international airport now.

2 & 3:   Can you provide reliable metrics for these claims? Those are the sorts of arguments made for Hamilton, it didn't happen.

If the revenue and economic growth were there there'd plenty of support already for such a project. The fact there's luke cold support tends to prove my point.

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  #1128317 14-Sep-2014 14:44
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Technofreak:
KiwiNZ:
old3eyes: Still don't know why Wellington needs a full international airport.


1. It's the capital and it is ridiculous that it is not an international airport.
2. The annual revenue it will bring to the region is considerable.
3. It is key for economic growth. 


To comment on your points
1:  It is an international airport now.

2 & 3:   Can you provide reliable metrics for these claims? Those are the sorts of arguments made for Hamilton, it didn't happen.

If the revenue and economic growth were there there'd plenty of support already for such a project. The fact there's luke cold support tends to prove my point.


Infratil and the Wellington city council published the figures last week.

Its partially international so it is logical to extend it for safety and to take longer range and high capacity aircraft.

I am convinced it Wellington announced it was spending some money to patch their foot paths or improve disabled access there would be complaints from out side Wellington. its ridiculous.

 
 
 
 


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  #1128321 14-Sep-2014 14:52
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you think this is the only one? the entire gov from head to toe does the same thing.

for example hiring consultants for $2 mil to find ways of saving money in a dept and then sacking people to save $200,000 a year ... ?! if you are a "consultant" that's where the money is :)




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  #1128338 14-Sep-2014 15:14
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KiwiNZ:
old3eyes: Still don't know why Wellington needs a full international airport.


1. It's the capital and it is ridiculous that it is not an international airport.
2. The annual revenue it will bring to the region is considerable.
3. It is key for economic growth. 


That's the only reason that there is anything in Wellington.  It's the capital.  If it wasn't it would be a small town  say the size of New Plymouth with a ferry  terminal and that would be it..

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  #1128339 14-Sep-2014 15:14
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KiwiNZ

Yeah and Infratil and the council don't have an agenda do they?  Where's the real data? Even the EY report avoids the real answers, it skirts around the issue, why? Because the figures don't stack up.

Making the runway longer isn't addressing any major safety concerns.  The runway is quite long enough for the the aircraft that currently service Wellington.

Go and do some research about the houses and buildings beside the airport that infringe international safety zone guidelines.  That's where there are some real safety concerns.  They're not being addressed.




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  #1128373 14-Sep-2014 15:57
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If you already have the answers why not expand on your concerns without sending us on wild goose chasing? AFAIK the airport owns all the property directly either side of the airport. I've lived in the area for years and the only zoning that's had any publicity is the 55dB noise zone.

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  #1128644 14-Sep-2014 22:49
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old3eyes: Still don't know why Wellington needs a full international airport.


Well, because it is a capital city not a provincial hicksville, for a start!

Whilst personally I think the capital should be moved to Auckland for a number of reasons (and no, I do not live there!) which would solve that, I do think it faintly ridiculous that a capital city has what amounts to a regional airport and visiting dignitaries cannot even fly directly to or from it.

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  #1128685 15-Sep-2014 01:06
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Technofreak:
KiwiNZ:
old3eyes: Still don't know why Wellington needs a full international airport.


1. It's the capital and it is ridiculous that it is not an international airport.
2. The annual revenue it will bring to the region is considerable.
3. It is key for economic growth. 


To comment on your points
1:  It is an international airport now.

2 & 3:   Can you provide reliable metrics for these claims? Those are the sorts of arguments made for Hamilton, it didn't happen.

If the revenue and economic growth were there there'd plenty of support already for such a project. The fact there's luke cold support tends to prove my point.


.... and for the Invercargill extension - again it didn't happen.

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  #1128778 15-Sep-2014 09:07
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Geektastic:
old3eyes: Still don't know why Wellington needs a full international airport.


Well, because it is a capital city not a provincial hicksville, for a start!

Whilst personally I think the capital should be moved to Auckland for a number of reasons (and no, I do not live there!) which would solve that, I do think it faintly ridiculous that a capital city has what amounts to a regional airport and visiting dignitaries cannot even fly directly to or from it.


Don't move it to Auckland (I live there) but the Waikato.  Plenty of spare flat land there..




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  #1128831 15-Sep-2014 09:58
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Any aviation geeks want to chime in here.  According to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_International_Airport the existing runway is too short for even the B737 or the A320 to take off at MTOW.  In order for long haul flights to be viable I would have thought that they would need to be operating around MTOW to allow for enough passangers and cargo for good load factors.  I don't see how a mere 300 metre extension would allow this.  My understanding is that the take off lengths for B787 and A350 at MTOW are up near 3000 metres, while the extended runway will still only be ~2400 m.  Or am I mistaken?

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