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  # 1205181 28-Dec-2014 22:58
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I fear the worse because there was no mayday call




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  # 1205186 28-Dec-2014 23:16
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That's it, I ain't never getting on a plane again.




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  # 1205203 28-Dec-2014 23:49
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are you serious?




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  # 1205205 28-Dec-2014 23:55
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Not really. However I don't much like flying anyway and only do it if I have to.

Very tragic all these plane crashes this year.




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  # 1205234 29-Dec-2014 07:53
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  # 1205277 29-Dec-2014 09:07
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Although there have been some high profile air disasters this year it's important to look objectively at the statistics:



These figures obviously do not include the latest incident as the number of fatalities is not confirmed, however if there are no survivors then the total fatalities for 2014 would be roughly in line with the ten year average.

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  # 1205334 29-Dec-2014 10:09
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alasta: Although there have been some high profile air disasters this year it's important to look objectively at the statistics:



These figures obviously do not include the latest incident as the number of fatalities is not confirmed, however if there are no survivors then the total fatalities for 2014 would be roughly in line with the ten year average.


Well, if you ignore that it excludes MH17.  And since it excludes sabotage, there's no guarantee it includes the other Malaysian plane either.

 
 
 
 




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  # 1205337 29-Dec-2014 10:17
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I love statistics. It all depends on the denominator. denominator makes or breaks your numbers.

What if you do the statistics but this time, use per continent. Per country. Per airline. What will it show? (I don't know the answer, but I'd like to know)




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  # 1205343 29-Dec-2014 10:24
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tardtasticx: This just gives me the absolute shivers. 
We've had so many plane crashes and incidents this year, and we all thought it couldn't really get worse. Then bang smack in the middle of the Holiday period another one goes missing. 


As I said to my fiancee last night: every time an airliner goes down, it makes the news. Every time an airliner lands safely, you hear nothing. There is nothing to worry about. Statistically speaking, you're far more liklely to die in a car accident than in a plane crash. Are you going to freak out every time someone you know hops in a car? No, of course not. So calm down about air travel too.



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  # 1205353 29-Dec-2014 10:34
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gzt: Aircraft is an A320-200. Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, have all started search operations.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/massive-air-sea-search-for-missing-airasia-flight-qz8501


I assume the blue line end is where the flight lost contact.


Terrible news. My feelings go out to the families.
I'm flying Qantas to Singapore Thursday but have a bit more faith in that airline.

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  # 1205362 29-Dec-2014 10:43
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thecatsgoolies: 
Terrible news. My feelings go out to the families.
I'm flying Qantas to Singapore Thursday but have a bit more faith in that airline.


You're implying that the airline or its staff are at fault here, and at this stage that's not very fair is it??

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  # 1205378 29-Dec-2014 10:50
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I'm lost with this.

The flight path has very heavily ocean traffic. No mayday call, no wreckage even though it was around 7am it went missing? Also that gulf is quite shallow. How can they not have found anything? Not trying to be negative, but this is so much like MH370. Perhaps a passive hjacking?

Prayers to the families and friends

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tardtasticx: This just gives me the absolute shivers. 
We've had so many plane crashes and incidents this year, and we all thought it couldn't really get worse. Then bang smack in the middle of the Holiday period another one goes missing. 


As I said to my fiancee last night: every time an airliner goes down, it makes the news. Every time an airliner lands safely, you hear nothing. There is nothing to worry about. Statistically speaking, you're far more liklely to die in a car accident than in a plane crash. Are you going to freak out every time someone you know hops in a car? No, of course not. So calm down about air travel too.




I'm not afraid of flying, and I never said I was. I'd love to travel more via plane if I could afford to.

But seeing news like this gives me the shivers because knowing nearly 200 people have most likely died in an instant is just terrifying. All those families and friends have lost loved ones right after Christmas. No one expected another one would happen this year since we've had such bad luck with planes going down (it's probably happened in the past but I don't remember seeing so many go down in such a short amount of time with such mystery surrounding the incidents).







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tardtasticx: 

I'm not afraid of flying, and I never said I was. I'd love to travel more via plane if I could afford to.

But seeing news like this gives me the shivers because knowing nearly 200 people have most likely died in an instant is just terrifying. All those families and friends have lost loved ones right after Christmas. No one expected another one would happen this year since we've had such bad luck with planes going down (it's probably happened in the past but I don't remember seeing so many go down in such a short amount of time with such mystery surrounding the incidents).



It is sad, and it's a tradgedy. But really...to say "so many go down in such a short amount of time"... ? How many, and over what time period? This year, we've had MH370 of course, and MH17 (shot down over a warzone - not a lot of mystery there) and now this...that's three "high profile" ones in a year...not a short time really. And as for the mystery, as I said, there isn't much mystery around the cause of the "crash" of MH17 - it was hit by a missile - the crash site for the latest one hasn't even been found yet, so we can't speculate on what happened there at all but that doesn't count as mysterious really.

Regardless, my point is that we needn't worry overly about air travel just because we see news of an airliner crashing...

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tardtasticx: 

I'm not afraid of flying, and I never said I was. I'd love to travel more via plane if I could afford to.

But seeing news like this gives me the shivers because knowing nearly 200 people have most likely died in an instant is just terrifying. All those families and friends have lost loved ones right after Christmas. No one expected another one would happen this year since we've had such bad luck with planes going down (it's probably happened in the past but I don't remember seeing so many go down in such a short amount of time with such mystery surrounding the incidents).



It is sad, and it's a tradgedy. But really...to say "so many go down in such a short amount of time"... ? How many, and over what time period? This year, we've had MH370 of course, and MH17 (shot down over a warzone - not a lot of mystery there) and now this...that's three "high profile" ones in a year...not a short time really. And as for the mystery, as I said, there isn't much mystery around the cause of the "crash" of MH17 - it was hit by a missile - the crash site for the latest one hasn't even been found yet, so we can't speculate on what happened there at all but that doesn't count as mysterious really.

Regardless, my point is that we needn't worry overly about air travel just because we see news of an airliner crashing...


I agree. If MH370 was hijacked by the mentally affected pilot yes thats an accident but not a reflection on physical aircraft safety. It has happened before though. MH17 wasnt a reflection on aircraft safety.

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