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  # 1846432 14-Aug-2017 14:55
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Walking's pretty fun.

 


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  # 1846536 14-Aug-2017 17:28
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Coil:

 

Walking's pretty fun.

 

 

 

So you can walk on water? Impressive!

 

 


 
 
 
 




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  # 1846650 14-Aug-2017 20:07
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I wouldn't necessarily agree that Emirates BP is better than NZ. There are certainly aspects of both their soft and hard product that are far better (including their champagne offering) but when you look at some of their aircraft with tired cabins and new 2-3-2 business class it's not a compelling reason. It's very difficult to beat the NZ herringbone seat for sleeping in.

 

 

I would tend to disagree, bearing in mind that the subject here is "Favourite route to Europe" Your incorrect insinuation about the introduction of a 2-3-2 business class on the (numerous) A380 AKL - DBX services ex AKL is misleading. There are NO plans to introduce this to the long distance A380 flights. They will remain, for the foreseeable future as 1-2-1. What you will see is the introduction of a Premium Economy offering and, I suspect, an offering that will lift the bar with regard to PE once again. Your mistaken reference to 2-3-2 business is to the upgrade of older B777 aircraft used on other routes.

 

Let's be honest, a more frequent Business Class 1-2-1 service across the quietist and largest wide body in the world combined with a full service congregational bar at the tail end of the aircraft AND a chauffeur driven home to airport pick up / drop off service is surely something that Air New Zealand has difficulty competing with?

 

And then we have Qatar. New entrant but with an "old and noisy hard product B777", just like Air New Zealand. But they offer a la carte "on demand" dining as part of their premier service, which is very nice. Admittedly their business product seating is only ok at 2-2-2. Economy however is 3-3-3 and quite spacious compared to Air New Zealand.

 

Can the Gulf carriers continue with this? I don't know, but they are in a better position than Air New Zealand. One thing is for sure - I would rather spend my money, or my business money supporting (and enjoying) the far superior service offering the Gulf carriers provide at this moment in time.

 

 


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  # 1846805 15-Aug-2017 07:42
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Let's be honest, a more frequent Business Class 1-2-1 service across the quietist and largest wide body in the world combined with a full service congregational bar at the tail end of the aircraft AND a chauffeur driven home to airport pick up / drop off service is surely something that Air New Zealand has difficulty competing with?

 

 

 

 

I'll be flying Emirates end of this year in Business class to Aussie. I have 18A on the upper deck. Will be using the chaffeur service for pickup and drop off.
Anyone got any tips to maximize the experience haha. First time on a 380. Been very loyal to AirNZ over the years.





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  # 1846887 15-Aug-2017 09:25
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Coil:

 

DaveB:

 

Let's be honest, a more frequent Business Class 1-2-1 service across the quietist and largest wide body in the world combined with a full service congregational bar at the tail end of the aircraft AND a chauffeur driven home to airport pick up / drop off service is surely something that Air New Zealand has difficulty competing with?

 

 

 

 

I'll be flying Emirates end of this year in Business class to Aussie. I have 18A on the upper deck. Will be using the chaffeur service for pickup and drop off.
Anyone got any tips to maximize the experience haha. First time on a 380. Been very loyal to AirNZ over the years.

 

I normally try for 20A or K as it is a little further back off the wing. Better view in my experience. Thinking it through though, the downside to that on such a short trip is that meals are served from the front, so you may have to wait longer = less time in the bar! The on board bar is pretty well utilized between NZ and Aus for some reason hahaha. Watching the tail camera on the 23 inch screen during take offs and landings can be fun.

 

Don't rely too much on the free wifi. It's good for messages and light websites, but not much more.

 

The 380 is a beauty to fly and so very quiet. You will love the Business Class cabin and would wish you were on the longer flight.


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I preferred the Qatar 777 on the 17hr leg to the 787 on the second leg - comfier seats and generally a nicer experience than the more 'plasticy' 787 cabin. Arriving at midnight in Doha means transfer times can be long depending on final destination - was 8hrs for Manchester but only about 4 for London.  Better transfer times on the return journey.  Doha airport was easy for a long transfer even without the complimentary hotel room on 8hr+ transfers you get on higher class tickets, they do it for economy but not the cheapest ticket classes. Very big and easy to find a quiet spot.  Food was really good on the plane too.


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  # 1846897 15-Aug-2017 09:46
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I fly to France every couple of years or so and always us Korean Air. You can set up your flights with > 12h layover and they'll shout you a night in a flash Hotel.

 

You land (semi) rested having had a proper night sleep and a flash couple of meals!

 

 

Wife and I have been to france three times in the last few years - we flew Korean Air and really liked it. That night stopover is brilliant as you mention. Flight arrives into Seoul around 4pm - they shuttle you to the hotel. Time for a wander around - really nice food, shower and a proper nights sleep in a really well sound proofed hotel (I never seem to sleep on a plane). Lovely brunch the next morning and then time for the shuttle back to the airport. I seem to recall the flight out from Seoul to Paris leaves around 1pm and gets in to CDG Paris around 4pm - I never felt a hint of jetlag (well the next few days while adjusting of course).

 

Also (we stumped up for Business) - the A380 has the whole top floor dedicated to business/first class - so its really nice. Loved the flash wide staircase that goes down to the lower level (I hear Airbus want to scrap that and squash in more seats) and loved the "Celestial bar" that was on the top floor.

 

Would have flown with them any time - but every time we were due to fly there seemed to be some strife with that little twit in the North with the bad haircut. We booked Cathay this time (flying next month) - will be interesting to see what that is like.

 

Also (on schedule) trouble is stirring between the North and the South again (and the USA) - quite glad we are not flying through there - but certainly had no problems with Korean Air as an airline. 





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  # 1846995 15-Aug-2017 12:35
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Via Singapore.  Preferably with a stop-over for few days.  I really enjoy Singapore.





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  # 1847012 15-Aug-2017 13:07
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An interesting read as I just returned on Friday from 8 days in the UK.  Generally prefer to travel AirNZ, but this time the Prem Economy on Cathay Pacific was quite a bit cheaper so opted for them thru Hong Kong.  It was a good experience on all 4 flights and the additional space in those seats is definitely worth the money.  Cabin crews were polite and efficient, but not as pleasant to deal with as AirNZ generally are.  3hr-ish stopover in HK in both directions was great for a shower and some 'real' food before being onward bound again.  

 

I have to say that jet lag heading to the UK was almost non-existent whereas coming back this way I'm still suffering 4 days later!  Almost back on track, but I did fall asleep mid sentence on Sunday cool

 

Having done the long flight to DXB on Emirates I think I still prefer the half way stop in HK or Singapore.  There was a time on the Emirates flight when I really wanted to kill someone and knew I had to put up with them for quite a while longer.  Next time I might just go ahead and stab them with a very small pair of scissors LOL


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  # 1847265 15-Aug-2017 19:52
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Horseychick:

 

I have to say that jet lag heading to the UK was almost non-existent whereas coming back this way I'm still suffering 4 days later!  

 

 

Jet lag is about your natural body cycle being out of sync with daylight & meals & sleep. Some people have cycles of less than 24 hours, meaning that they're eager to start the day each morning (larks), and suffer less jet lag when flying east-bound. Other people have cycles longer than 24 hours, meaning they're not ready for the new day in the morning, but still have plenty of energy in the evening (owls), and suffer less jet lag when flying west-bound. But that also depends on the length of the flight, and the number of time-zones crossed.

 

My worst experience was flying Tokyo-Anchorage-Paris. IIRC, took off from Tokyo in the evening, had dinner, landed at Anchorage in the morning of the previous day, then flew over the Pole to Paris to arrive in the morning, having lunch then breakfast along the way. By this stage, I didn't even know what day it was.

 

 


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  # 1847507 16-Aug-2017 12:33
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frankv:

 

Horseychick:

 

jet lag

 

 

Jet lag

 

 

Easily cured by a concrete pill lol





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  # 1847553 16-Aug-2017 13:15
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Horseychick:

 

 

 

Maybe I never get jet lag because I'm only ever in Europe for work?

 

 

 

 





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  # 1848499 18-Aug-2017 11:52
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I have been lucky enough to do the Qatar Auckland-Doha-London trip business class. The B777 is an older product, but the service such as on demand a la carte dining is superb. With their competitive pricing, you can find fares similar to Premium Economy. Well worth considering, if only for the lie flat bed on that 17 hour 1st leg. Business class facilities in Doha are outstanding.

 

I have also been luckily enough to fly Emirates business class and as my family live near Birmingham UK, it is an exceptional service and now A380 all the way through. Sadly, they are not so aggressive with their premium pricing because they know they have the product. But Emirates, economy or business is my favourite way to fly and I have been flying with them for 13 years or more, either ALK or CCH to Dubai then a swift connecting flight into Birmingham.

 

I know that the 16+ hours NZ to Dubai or Doha can put some people off, but in my original post I did say "But manageable in all classes of travel if you do it the right way".

 

Here are a couple of tips for making that trip a little easier on a lower budget.

 

Considering Premium Economy for a Euro trip? Try looking out for the split Business/Economy fares that get promoted a couple of times a year by Qatar and Emirates. For a similar fare to PE, you could be in a bed on the long haul run and then do a manageable economy on the shorter 6 - 7 hour connection into Europe. Its well worth looking into.

 

Another thing that I have done when travelling alone, is to have my travel agent check out the passenger loads over say a weekly period. Sometimes those A380's have a lot of empty seats. That's when economy can work out quite well. Choose the low load flight from NZ, simply chose a seat towards the back of the plane (the A380 is very quiet) such as the middle seat in an empty row, keeping an eye on it with the Emirates app. Chances are you will end up with the entire row to yourself and a (not quite so comfortable) bed! It worked well for me one way and also for a friend of mine both ways two weeks ago. I got caught out on the return and simply upgraded to business out of Dubai back into NZ. Still cheaper than PE.

 

The good thing now is that we have a lot of choice to make these long haul flights more bearable.


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  # 1848502 18-Aug-2017 11:58
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Only way I'll ever fly by choice is East via North America. Heading West is horrible for flight times and time zone changes.

 

Head via the US or Canada and you get great flight times and time zone changes that are perfect for rest or sleep.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are going to the UK next year and I want to go via the US, my wife prefers via Asia.





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