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  Reply # 2176773 11-Feb-2019 21:07
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Amiga500: Air NZ aircraft not permitted to land at Shanghai.

what actually happened...

The article: Flight NZ289 was over the Coral Sea four-and-a half hours out of Auckland early yesterday when passengers got the bad news that it was heading back to Auckland.

Not exactly over Shanghai and denied landing. Less than halfway there in fact.

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  Reply # 2176781 11-Feb-2019 21:20
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amiga500:

 

So will we ever know if this is a mistake by Air NZ, or a not very subtle push back resulting from issues such as the 5G Huawei decision by NZ?

 

 

As above, layoff the tinfoil hat.

 

Hanlon's Razor apply: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."...





 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2176783 11-Feb-2019 21:27
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Amiga500: Air NZ aircraft not permitted to land at Shanghai.

what actually happened...

The article: Flight NZ289 was over the Coral Sea four-and-a half hours out of Auckland early yesterday when passengers got the bad news that it was heading back to Auckland.

Not exactly over Shanghai and denied landing. Less than halfway there in fact.

 

If I read correctly, Amiga did not say where the aircraft was, but that it was not permitted to land at Shanghai, which is correct.

 

Now, imagine if they ignored and kept going and then try to enter China airspace low on fuel to be intercepted by Chinese jets ...





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  Reply # 2176832 12-Feb-2019 06:51
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Well there may or may not be more to this but I doubt we civilians will ever know

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12202902




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Air NZ did go above and beyond here.. "Passengers were provided with accommodation where necessary, and meal vouchers. As a gesture of goodwill each customer also received a $200 voucher to spend on shopping at the airport."

 

Sure you may not get your 24 hours back, but at the end of the day that had the sole obligation of giving you a bed and food until the next flight or your money back. If someone actually went to lengths to claim losses then I am sure they could as well.

 

 

 

Batman: Well there may or may not be more to this but I doubt we civilians will ever know

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12202902

 

 

 

What's worse? Our media mis representing events effectively creating propaganda or the Chinese?





 


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  Reply # 2176839 12-Feb-2019 07:40
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Coil:

 

Air NZ did go above and beyond here.. "Passengers were provided with accommodation where necessary, and meal vouchers. As a gesture of goodwill each customer also received a $200 voucher to spend on shopping at the airport."

 

Sure you may not get your 24 hours back, but at the end of the day that had the sole obligation of giving you a bed and food until the next flight or your money back. If someone actually went to lengths to claim losses then I am sure they could as well.

 

 

 

Batman: Well there may or may not be more to this but I doubt we civilians will ever know

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12202902

 

 

 

What's worse? Our media mis representing events effectively creating propaganda or the Chinese?

 

 

The thing is, we'll never know. (For example, if they've always done it, and it was always fine, and suddenly last week it wasn't fine.)

 

And the govt definitely do not want to blow it up if it were true, so it will never admit it even if it is, yes thanks to the media who will make a meal of it and upset China.





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  Reply # 2176840 12-Feb-2019 07:40
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Coil: What's worse? Our media mis representing events effectively creating propaganda or the Chinese? 

 

The tinfoilers who enable the media.


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Dratsab:

 

Coil: What's worse? Our media mis representing events effectively creating propaganda or the Chinese? 

 

The tinfoilers who enable the media.

 

 

 

 

Only if we had something better to do in New Zealand other than sitting in the lounge at home in Gore worrying about your neighbors new fence and how it will affect you and what new spy hardware Vodafone is installing on the hill...

 

 





 


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  Reply # 2176856 12-Feb-2019 07:55
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freitasm: Next we will hear about that one passenger that never made it to the next flight and disappeared forever in Auckland...

/tinfoil

 

 

 

You're giving me ideas on how to make it into the news again :) All you got to do is just not show up and let the Herald run with it, who knows, could have been kidnapped by Chinese space cadets. 

 

But honestly, are there anti scaremongering laws? The Herald needs to buck their ideas right the heck up.

 

I know a few media students and you could not get a more deluded lot of people who think they know exactly what is up but are so far from reality is it beyond funny. One has had an internship with an outlet, to then write utter BS and I swear it was just them pretty much writing what ever they can to get as much lime light as possible and the more outrageous the more feedback. 





 


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Coil: But honestly, are there anti scaremongering laws? The Herald needs to buck their ideas right the heck up.

The Herald has done an excellent job reporting on this story as it has developed. I don't see any scaremongering.

There are also many opinion type commentators for various outlets and that is not reporting.

Countries that have those kinds of laws don't do well on measures of media freedom. Those kinds of laws tend to be used to suppress normal discussion.

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Anytime there is a law that suppresses freedom you can be certain of two things: someone will try to use it for the wrong reasons and you never get your rights back without a fight.




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gzt:
Coil: But honestly, are there anti scaremongering laws? The Herald needs to buck their ideas right the heck up.

The Herald has done an excellent job reporting on this story as it has developed. I don't see any scaremongering.

There are also many opinion type commentators that are not worth listening to and that is not reporting anyway.

Countries that have those kinds of laws don't do well on measures of media freedom. Those kinds of laws tend to be used to suppress normal discussion.

 

In the Air NZ case they have stuck to the facts. In the case of the article posted by @Batman this morning I would have to disagree. In one part of the article they claim the tourism promotion is being postponed due to a scheduling issue, then they launch in to wild speculation about Huawei, GCSB/Five Eyes and the Trump administration.

 

Media freedom is all well and good, but a line needs to be drawn when media goes from reporting to creating fake news and pushing their own agenda. People end up believing a load of nonsense.


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  Reply # 2176954 12-Feb-2019 10:09
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SirHumphreyAppleby:

 

amiga500:

 

So, Air NZ admit to it being their fault.  What I am wondering about is whether it's normal for these rules to be enforced so strictly.  I wonder if in some cases it would result in a rap over the knuckles for the airline, or a fine to be paid, instead of something far more drastic.  As they are in the wrong Air NZ are not going to complain about the situation.

 

 

I doubt we'll find out exactly what happened. Air NZ only admitted it was an administrative error. These things happen, it's not exactly going to cast a major shadow on the airline. It may well be that Air NZ has done everything they needed to with respect to this aircraft, but the Chinese haven't yet done their side of the paperwork. Air NZ is responsible for the aircraft complying with requirements, so it's best to take it on the chin and not attribute blame elsewhere, even if it is perhaps warranted. There were likely cock ups all around.

 

A few years ago there was a bit of fuss about an aircraft landing in NZ with expired biosecurity certification.  It had only expired a few days earlier. The plane was sprayed on arrival as per the rules (which used to happen to all international flights). I suspect it's probably something as trivial as that which caused this to happen, not some great conspiracy.

 

 

This just came in .  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110525974/air-nz-plane-forced-to-turn-around-after-airline-forgot-to-remove-reference-to-taiwan

 

Its another version of someone's truth, but it does make more sense than a paperwork or aircraft rego error, or Huawei.

 

An Air New Zealand plane which was forced to turn around en route to Shanghai did so for diplomatic reasons, but not because of recent unease with New Zealand's relationship with China.

 

Multiple sources say paperwork for the Air NZ flight 289, which returned to Auckland after several hours in the air included reference to Taiwan which China took to be an acknowledgement that the island was independent.

 

 


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  Reply # 2176955 12-Feb-2019 10:10
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I see China as a corrupt bureaucracy. So if you make a mistake, being difficult is all quite legal and proper, and an opportunity for some bloody-mindedness to remind everyone who's in charge, extort some "management fees", get a contract awarded to the "right" supplier, have dinner with a Cabinet Minister and/or influence policy, or get other benefits.

 

If you forget to register an aircraft for landing in China, you can legitimately be told to turn it around. Conversely, your mistake can be fixed, saving you a lot of money, providing some of the money you save (perhaps in the form some free round-trip First Class tickets), is shared to the fixer-uppers to compensate for the trouble you've caused. Conversely again, if your country has irritated the Chinese government, it would be suicidal for any Chinese person to help you, so no amount of baksheesh will fix the issue.

 

I'm thinking of a load of milk powder which arrived in China a couple of years ago, and got stopped at the border due to a missing form. And perhaps China banning milk product imports from NZ and Australia after the botulism scare in 2013, subsequent to the melamine debacle in China.

 

I'm also thinking of the bizjets that landed at Wellington before Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit was filmed, and before Kim.Com got raided.

 

 


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