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  # 2176957 12-Feb-2019 10:12
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Here's a new wrinkle this morning....

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110525974/air-nz-plane-forced-to-turn-around-after-airline-forgot-to-remove-reference-to-Taiwan

 

"Multiple sources say paperwork for the Air NZ flight 289, which returned to Auckland after several hours in the air included reference to Taiwan which China took to be an acknowledgement that the island was independent."

 

 


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  # 2176966 12-Feb-2019 10:23
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tdgeek:

SirHumphreyAppleby:


amiga500:


So, Air NZ admit to it being their fault.  What I am wondering about is whether it's normal for these rules to be enforced so strictly.  I wonder if in some cases it would result in a rap over the knuckles for the airline, or a fine to be paid, instead of something far more drastic.  As they are in the wrong Air NZ are not going to complain about the situation.



I doubt we'll find out exactly what happened. Air NZ only admitted it was an administrative error. These things happen, it's not exactly going to cast a major shadow on the airline. It may well be that Air NZ has done everything they needed to with respect to this aircraft, but the Chinese haven't yet done their side of the paperwork. Air NZ is responsible for the aircraft complying with requirements, so it's best to take it on the chin and not attribute blame elsewhere, even if it is perhaps warranted. There were likely cock ups all around.


A few years ago there was a bit of fuss about an aircraft landing in NZ with expired biosecurity certification.  It had only expired a few days earlier. The plane was sprayed on arrival as per the rules (which used to happen to all international flights). I suspect it's probably something as trivial as that which caused this to happen, not some great conspiracy.



This just came in .  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110525974/air-nz-plane-forced-to-turn-around-after-airline-forgot-to-remove-reference-to-taiwan


Its another version of someone's truth, but it does make more sense than a paperwork or aircraft rego error, or Huawei.


An Air New Zealand plane which was forced to turn around en route to Shanghai did so for diplomatic reasons, but not because of recent unease with New Zealand's relationship with China.


Multiple sources say paperwork for the Air NZ flight 289, which returned to Auckland after several hours in the air included reference to Taiwan which China took to be an acknowledgement that the island was independent.


 



Very weird. Landing papers has the word Taiwan! But what do I know, I've never filled out landing papers.




Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2177178 12-Feb-2019 14:18
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SirHumphreyAppleby: In the Air NZ case they have stuck to the facts. In the case of the article posted by @Batman this morning I would have to disagree. In one part of the article they claim the tourism promotion is being postponed due to a scheduling issue, then they launch in to wild speculation about Huawei, GCSB/Five Eyes and the Trump administration.

Media freedom is all well and good, but a line needs to be drawn when media goes from reporting to creating fake news and pushing their own agenda. People end up believing a load of nonsense.

The article in question is by Barry Soper. I'm used to seeing his opinion pieces. However, this article is not identified as an opinion/editorial piece at least in the online version. It's unclear to me if this is intended as an opinion piece or not.

Taking it as reporting I see most of it as fair except for this assertion:

NZHerald/Barry Soper: The GCSB's version that Huawei posed a risk to national security isn't enough for Beijing. It wants a better explanation before opening the door to Ardern.

It is not stated that this is something said by his 'sources' mentioned earlier in the article - and is therefore not a statement of fact at all.



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  # 2177270 12-Feb-2019 18:02
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It seems there are a few issues resulting in a complicated situation with the relationship.   Firstly, the purchase of the Boeing patrol aircraft which probably did not please China, & then the five eyes decision to dump Huawei from the 5g project.


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  # 2177282 12-Feb-2019 18:34
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amiga500: then the five eyes decision to dump Huawei from the 5g project.

This decision is New Zealand's to make - and as far as I'm aware this decision has not been made yet.

As I understand it from the news reports Spark have submitted an amended installation plan or are working on one and this plan will be assessed by the gcsb reporting to the minister.

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