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# 262233 11-Jan-2020 17:25
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Apparently by accident.

This is terrible.




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  # 2390303 11-Jan-2020 17:25
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  # 2390305 11-Jan-2020 17:26
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Thanks Peter.




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  # 2390358 11-Jan-2020 18:18
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They had to admit it there was to much evidence to back up it was hit with one of their own missiles. 

 

What is really going to happen though, they put their hand up and say our bad a lot of bad press and that will be about it.

 

My heart goes out to the family's that this has affected it is such a tragic incident. 





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  # 2390405 11-Jan-2020 18:35
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Probably best to stay on the ground for the next few decades. Roll on teleportation.

I'm not reassured by their statement saying the people responsible will be prosecuted. That almost certainly means that innocent people will be punished. Terrible situation across the board.

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  # 2390500 12-Jan-2020 10:47
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There's a certain irony the Iranians can shoot down a plane filled with their own civilians but can't seem to get a hit on any of the Israeli military jets that are always blowing their missiles up on the ground.

You're going to have to lift your game to defeat the great Satan.


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  # 2390553 12-Jan-2020 11:07
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Batman: Apparently by accident.

This is terrible.

 

@Batman The US have shot down a passenger plane as well 290 people on board Iran Air Flight 655

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655




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  # 2390555 12-Jan-2020 11:09
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thanks for the reminder. that somewhat balances things out. and the latest one before this was russia vs MAS iirc.





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  # 2390563 12-Jan-2020 11:35
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I don't think it *needed* to be balanced out. I don't think the families of any affected by either crashed will feel "better" now.

 

It is utterly beyond me how anyone could even consider shooting a non military transporter of any type, be it plane or bus or train or whatever. I am sure I read somewhere, that domestic airliners have a transponders that prevent SAM's and radar guided missiles from targeting passenger planes, requires 2 sets of overrides, to prevent "accidentical" take downs?

 

As someone mentioned, the people truly responsible for this despicable act won't be held accountable, but some people will be punished.

 

When it was announced a passenger plane had gone down in that region and it was mechanical failure, it felt pretty unlikely given the timing of the other missile strikes.

 

All in all, a massive tragedy.

 

 

 

 


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  # 2390589 12-Jan-2020 14:30
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networkn:

 

As someone mentioned, the people truly responsible for this despicable act won't be held accountable, but some people will be punished.

 

 

That is likely to be a quite common view but how can you be so sure? On balance, a negative outcome may be more likely but we don't need to present it as fact.

 

The statement you refer to at least allows the possibility of a just outcome:

 

gehenna:

I'm not reassured by their statement saying the people responsible will be prosecuted. That almost certainly means that innocent people will be punished. Terrible situation across the board.

 

A just outcome might be more likely while the regime is facing significant challenges. They may well prosecute those who made the decision rather than creating another sham trial.


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  # 2390590 12-Jan-2020 14:35
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Highly doubt it

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  # 2390595 12-Jan-2020 14:53
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gehenna: Highly doubt it

 

That's why I said "might".

 

Taking a pessimistic position seems much more likely to be correct but I remember when the Berlin Wall came down against the general pessimistic view.


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  # 2390598 12-Jan-2020 15:03
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Hammerer:

 

gehenna: Highly doubt it

 

That's why I said "might".

 

Taking a pessimistic position seems much more likely to be correct but I remember when the Berlin Wall came down against the general pessimistic view.

 

 

Thing is, there is no way to know if the "right" people were held responsible unless you know for sure who did it, and have some way of verifying that the person they present is even the person who had the title at the time. 

 

 




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  # 2390648 12-Jan-2020 15:47
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Whoever it is there will be a chain of command. Whoever pressed the button is not responsible. Where does the buck stop? It's hard to know. It certainly won't be the rule of Iran. So I got nobody is killed because of this. It's likely one of those unfortunate events.

Background: apparently the plane for some reason flew too close to Iranian army base




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  # 2390668 12-Jan-2020 17:06
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Batman:

Background: apparently the plane for some reason flew too close to Iranian army base


@Batman commercial aircraft just don't fly where they like it would have been on the flight plan! Would be approved by ATC

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  # 2390671 12-Jan-2020 17:20
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Batman:

Background: apparently the plane for some reason flew too close to Iranian army base


@Batman commercial aircraft just don't fly where they like it would have been on the flight plan! Would be approved by ATC

 

This!


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