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  # 2392251 14-Jan-2020 23:42
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huckster:

Just over 10 years ago was working in London with a Kiwi colleague. He got flown to Malaysia for work from the UK but didn't take his original NZ-UK-NZ ticket with him.


When he went to board his flight back to London, they wouldn't let him on the plane. I got woken up, managed to contact Air NZ on his behalf who, were most helpful and faxed(!) the airline in Malaysia with his ticket details.



That doesn't make sense.
If your colleague was working legally in the UK why didn't he have a work visa in his passport?

Said visa entitles the bearer to enter the UK no questions asked.

Or do you mean working as in just for a few weeks unofficially kind of thing.

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Ultimate Geek


  # 2392333 15-Jan-2020 09:45
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evilengineer:

 

PolicyGuy:

 

If this is going to be a longer-term situation, have you considered getting your wife a more permanent type of visa?
Is she eligible for UK citizenship through marriage to you or through one of her parents/grandparents?

 

 

………..

 

I'm also pretty sure you can't get UK citizenship directly from a grandparent. Has to be a parent who was actually born in the UK and isn't just a UK citizen by decent.  

 

 

Ultimately you can get UK citizenship from a UK born grandparent … but it takes a while.

 

First you apply for a 5 year Ancestry Visa which gives you the right to live and work in the UK (and get NHS treatment as you pay a health surcharge when you apply for the Visa). If you spend the bulk of the 5 year visa term actually in the UK you can then apply for a Right to Remain. Then I think after another 5 years you can apply for a UK passport and citizenship.

 

I have a 5 year Ancestry Visa (actually on my 2nd 5 years) but given I am nearly 60 I have no interest in going for the Right to Remain. I applied for and got my Ancestry Visa even though my grandfather was no longer alive.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2392348 15-Jan-2020 10:22
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elpenguino:
huckster:

 

Just over 10 years ago was working in London with a Kiwi colleague. He got flown to Malaysia for work from the UK but didn't take his original NZ-UK-NZ ticket with him.

 

 

 

When he went to board his flight back to London, they wouldn't let him on the plane. I got woken up, managed to contact Air NZ on his behalf who, were most helpful and faxed(!) the airline in Malaysia with his ticket details.

 



That doesn't make sense.
If your colleague was working legally in the UK why didn't he have a work visa in his passport?

Said visa entitles the bearer to enter the UK no questions asked.

Or do you mean working as in just for a few weeks unofficially kind of thing.

 

I believe it was all aboveboard - he was there for a while, I have a UK passport.

 

The point I was making is that sometimes airlines (as it was the check-in) can interpret the rules in a funny way. Hopefully things have moved on a bit since then.


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Master Geek


  # 2392560 15-Jan-2020 12:40
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Reading and working the link @Blinkybill put up, on a NZ passport as a visitor:

 

 

 

"You won’t need a visa to come to the UK

 

You can stay in the UK for up to 6 months without a visa.

 

However, you should bring the same documents you’d need to apply for a visa, to show to officers at the UK border. "

 

 

 

If you then follow the document link it then, amongst a myriad of other things, states:

 

 

 

"4. Documents you should not send unless specifically requested

 

This section provides guidance on the types of documents that are not required to consider your application.

 

  •  

    • .............
    • flight bookings
    • ............."

Nowhere could I see a requirement for onward flights. So, it would seem that if airlines are insisting on it, it is actually their requirement, not something insisted upon by the UK. Trying to argue the case at a check-in desk would be a fun task!


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  # 2392591 15-Jan-2020 14:54
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Surely you just say at checkin your going to leave uk and travel to Europe via ferry or something.

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  # 2392616 15-Jan-2020 16:28
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PolicyGuy:

 

If this is going to be a longer-term situation, have you considered getting your wife a more permanent type of visa?
Is she eligible for UK citizenship through marriage to you or through one of her parents/grandparents?

 

 

 

 

The UK is a complete basket case at the moment for anything like that.  Will cost thousand(ss) and there is an actively hostile policy at the Home Office for anything immigration related, why bother.  I have an expired UK passport and travelled in on my NZ one last time, allowed the immigration guy his routine of checking I'm not going to be working there and promise to not overstay.  He was thoroughly nasty to the Indian on a student visa in the queue before us.

 

Daughter is soon travelling to UK for a one year uni exchange so got her a new UK passport for trouble free entry.


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  # 2398759 16-Jan-2020 10:30
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A couple of trips ago, I tried to use the uk nationals line as I was born there (and was using my uk passport) and was holding my child in my arms who was losing the plot but was on nz passport. Immigration officer wouldnt let me go through this lane because my child was on nz passport. (putting aside the obvious point that she would have been eligible for uk passport if I had bothered... so back to the non uk queue I went with screaming child for 30 minutes of waiting..)

 

I wonder how the pro brexit people are going to be treated after exit, particularly by the french immigration officers....

 

On the other hand one trip we flew into new castle from the gulf and has to declare baby food so once past immigration we went looking for customs people like good kiwi's are trained. Found a phone on the wall which said customs so we rang it and told the chap we need we wanted to declare baby food and he said enter the door by the phone which we did and found ourselves outside the airport !


 
 
 
 


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Ultimate Geek


# 2398765 16-Jan-2020 10:40
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afe66:

 

A couple of trips ago, I tried to use the uk nationals line as I was born there (and was using my uk passport) and was holding my child in my arms who was losing the plot but was on nz passport. Immigration officer wouldnt let me go through this lane because my child was on nz passport. (putting aside the obvious point that she would have been eligible for uk passport if I had bothered... so back to the non uk queue I went with screaming child for 30 minutes of waiting..)

 

I wonder how the pro brexit people are going to be treated after exit, particularly by the french immigration officers....

 

On the other hand one trip we flew into new castle from the gulf and has to declare baby food so once past immigration we went looking for customs people like good kiwi's are trained. Found a phone on the wall which said customs so we rang it and told the chap we need we wanted to declare baby food and he said enter the door by the phone which we did and found ourselves outside the airport !

 

 

Maybe "declare baby food" was code for something else.....


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  # 2398768 16-Jan-2020 10:47
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MartinGZ:

 

Nowhere could I see a requirement for onward flights. So, it would seem that if airlines are insisting on it, it is actually their requirement, not something insisted upon by the UK. Trying to argue the case at a check-in desk would be a fun task!

 

 

 

 

Having been in a situation in the past where I was refused checkin to a flight by an overzealous airline employee (and their manager - not to the UK though, or out of NZ, so perhaps not directly applicable to this thread) I still tend to err on the side of caution these days!

 

Yes it certainly doesn't appear from the linked site that the UK requires proof of onward travel, but if you get a couple of airline employees on a bad day who don't know this, it is not fun.... 


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