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tweake
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  #3256659 5-Jul-2024 15:33
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MikeAqua:

 

tweake:

 

foiling boats are not new. there is a rather famous big ferry that i think may still be running. really impressive seeing something of that size zipping along with the hull out of the water.

 

the electric side, thats a bit debatable but the foils do help a lot.

 

 

I was thinking of the smaller foiling boats.  At channel ferry size it isn't such an issue.  But a 6m boat with a foil height of ~1m in a 1m sea would be ... interesting, I think.  All the video I have seen shows the small foil-boats operating in mill-pond flat or slightly ruffled water. The video linked above is an example of that.

 

The electric side make sense to me in someways.  Wetted surface and prismatic drag are the two big energy sappers in boats.  Foiling massively reduces both, especially prismatic drag.

 

From a review of a Candela C7 Candela C7 ~ Boating NZ

 

"During our time with the C7 the flight height fluctuated a little unnervingly at times, especially in choppier water, and the noise of the hydraulics became more noticeable the harder they had to work. Nor was the electric motor especially quiet, though much quieter than a conventional outboard".

 

Looking at the hull shape it would be quite adventurous if you had to travel in displacement mode in a following sea.

 

 

absolutely. with the small ones they would be limited to flat calm days. a problem that might occur is if you went out on foils, weather changes, forced to revert back to hull and use so much power you don't make it back.




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  #3256664 5-Jul-2024 15:46
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Its an interesting tradeoff.
For racing you can dance on small foils for lowest drag.
If you are a ferry safety and stability in a range of conditions matter.
This may account for very large foils on older hydrofoils. 

 

Boeing in the good old days did jet turbine hydrofoils.

 

Hong Kong - Maccau got jet engine hydrofoils.
Though I expect the running costs were subsidised by gambling revenue in Maccau.
https://www.checkerboardhill.com/2022/06/flying-to-macau-on-a-boeing-929-jetfoil/

 

However we do apart from inner harbors have 'often enough' challenging southern ocean conditions.

For Tourist jaunts you can pick and choose you weather and sea conditions, as tourists not so disappointed by cancellations, missing out on 'vomit' rides. :-) 


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  #3258512 11-Jul-2024 17:16
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eracode:

 

@wellygary Although I didn’t know about the boat in your link, I was careful to say ‘claimed’ - because I would have been surprised if the Auckland one really was a world first. It’s not rocket science. More BS from NZH who either made that up or accepted what they were told and published it without fact-checking.

 

 

The NZ boat designers know what else is being done around the world,  that's why  their precise claim is 

 

"world’s first electric hydrofoiling tourism vessel" - which is it .

 

But its certainly not the world's first electric hydro foiling passenger vessel and there is a lot of work going on in the sector...

 

 

Found another one, 

 

This time in the US (SF) 

 

https://www.navierboat.com/about

 

 

 

 

 




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  #3258828 12-Jul-2024 14:51
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I wonder about the fatiguing of those foil struts.  A lot of cyclic forces and no real bracing (maybe there is internal bracing we can't see, though).





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  #3288444 1-Oct-2024 09:49
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quickymart:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/30/business/video/candela-electric-flying-ferry-digvid

 

How about something like (for shorter trips)?

 

 

As discussed here on GZ back in May and then in subsequent posts.





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  #3318296 9-Dec-2024 12:36
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More BS from NZH today with another story on electric hydrofoils  - still claiming a 'world first' as they did earlier this year. As discussed earlier in this thread, the Swedish company Candela has had a 30-passenger electric hydrofoil ferry in service in Stockholm for over a year.

 

The NZ builder and NZH are saying it's a world first because: "This is the first time ever that a vessel of this type - certified electric hydrofoiling - has been delivered to a private operator for private service applications." What BS - what's so special about a 10-passenger boat being used for 'private' service - when a 30-seater ferry is in service? And the NZ boat is going to used by ferry-operator Fullers as a charter vessel - which is hardly 'private service'. This is rubbish and pretty much just an advertorial fluff piece. IMO NZH should be ashamed of themselves.





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