New Zealand Traveller Pass, necessary or government overreach?

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#2966526 13-Sep-2022 10:46

There is no mention of the form not being needed anymore, the form will be updated in regards to the vaccination no doubt. Why should we have to fill out a form while on holiday providing such detailed information such as our flight numbers, dates of travel and even TIMES of travel when all of this information is probably loaded into our passport when checking in etc.

We are essentially being forced to provide unnecessary information for what they say is "contact tracing" (contact tracing was largely ditched a long time ago), in order to get our qr code (permission) to return home. Id like to see this challenged in court based on the same grounds the grounded kiwis took the government to court on (the right to return home). They won that case and it was deemed the government acted beyond their powers in only not supplying enough quarantine facilities to let kiwis come home.

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#2966604 13-Sep-2022 13:01

David321:

There is no mention of the form not being needed anymore, the form will be updated in regards to the vaccination no doubt. Why should we have to fill out a form while on holiday providing such detailed information such as our flight numbers, dates of travel and even TIMES of travel when all of this information is probably loaded into our passport when checking in etc.

They've already updated the form. Its now an annoying duplication of effort as it asks the same questions as the Incoming Passenger Card!

Personally I think if they insist on keeping it, make it relevant - ditch the Incoming Passenger Card as standard, add the remaining questions from the card, call it a Digital IPC, and make it an option. Keep the cards for those who didn't fill it in before boarding the plane, and improve the arrivals experience.

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#2966615 13-Sep-2022 13:22

Check out the absurdity of these questions, why on earth is time of departure relevant to obtaining permission to travel home when the date is also asked for? in what case would flights from one particular place be ok if you left in the morning, but not if you left in the afternoon?

Date you will arrive in New Zealand? if I am coming home from overseas, why do I have to let them know in advance the date I will arrive? we used to be able to just turn up on a plane, go through customs and immigration and that was it, now all this, and for what?

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#2966616 13-Sep-2022 13:29

having just done another one for a flight next week, it was all of 5mins and my life moved on.

Doubt this will hang around too long

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#2966619 13-Sep-2022 13:37

David321:

Check out the absurdity of these questions, why on earth is time of departure relevant to obtaining permission to travel home when the date is also asked for? in what case would flights from one particular place be ok if you left in the morning, but not if you left in the afternoon?

Date you will arrive in New Zealand? if I am coming home from overseas, why do I have to let them know in advance the date I will arrive? we used to be able to just turn up on a plane, go through customs and immigration and that was it, now all this, and for what?

I guess the answer is "contact tracing". But that's not done any more, so I agree it's irrelevant. This govt are not exactly renowned for acting quickly in the face of overwhelming evidence though - look at how long they insisted on keeping MIQs open

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#2966621 13-Sep-2022 13:40

David321:

Check out the absurdity of these questions, why on earth is time of departure relevant to obtaining permission to travel home when the date is also asked for? in what case would flights from one particular place be ok if you left in the morning, but not if you left in the afternoon?

Date you will arrive in New Zealand? if I am coming home from overseas, why do I have to let them know in advance the date I will arrive? we used to be able to just turn up on a plane, go through customs and immigration and that was it, now all this, and for what?

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To be honest, I don't even know why the paper IPC asks when you left and arrived, let alone the traveller declaration. They already have that information from the flight's passenger manifest APIS data. Always felt like they were just asking for the sake of asking.

Not to mention, when you fill in the NZTD the time of departure (which you likely took off the flight schedule) has about a 70:30 chance of being several hours out anyway with how poor on-time-performance has been with all airlines lately.

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#2966624 13-Sep-2022 13:53

David321:

Check out the absurdity of these questions, why on earth is time of departure relevant to obtaining permission to travel home when the date is also asked for? in what case would flights from one particular place be ok if you left in the morning, but not if you left in the afternoon?

I think it extremely weird the nitpicking going on here. It's a simple form.

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#2966626 13-Sep-2022 14:14

Kyanar:

They've already updated the form. Its now an annoying duplication of effort as it asks the same questions as the Incoming Passenger Card!

Personally I think if they insist on keeping it, make it relevant - ditch the Incoming Passenger Card as standard, add the remaining questions from the card, call it a Digital IPC, and make it an option. Keep the cards for those who didn't fill it in before boarding the plane, and improve the arrivals experience.

Back in the day you needed to show your "traveller declaration pass" at Check in,

I'm told its not so heavily enforced now, but I'm guessing there is a process that the NZ Govt needs to follow to advise global airlines to stop checking the pass, ( if they decide to junk it) - and that's once it get removed by amending some covid rules,

The passenger arrival card exists under totally separate customs legislation,

I suspect there is a great big "inter departmental working group" being convened as we speak to work out which one will live and which one will die...

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#2966627 13-Sep-2022 14:18

David321:
Handle9: As an NZ citizen you don’t need to upload vaccine information. It’s a five minute excercise.

Nobody needs to upload vaccine information, so it should not even be there.

Why do a 5 min exercise if it is pointless and could only be used to potentially stop you from entering your home country on which you are supposed to have the right of return to under international law.

Why has NZ held on to this system when all other countries who used something similar have ditched it?

Think it would be a 5 min exercise for everyone? including the elderly?

Its government overreach and it's BS

How is this stopping you returning?

Fill in form. Get QR code.

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#2966630 13-Sep-2022 14:30

wellygary:

Back in the day you needed to show your "traveller declaration pass" at Check in,

I'm told its not so heavily enforced now, but I'm guessing there is a process that the NZ Govt needs to follow to advise global airlines to stop checking the pass, ( if they decide to junk it) - and that's once it get removed by amending some covid rules,

The passenger arrival card exists under totally separate customs legislation,

I suspect there is a great big "inter departmental working group" being convened as we speak to work out which one will live and which one will die...

Sigh, I know. I doubt paper will die out completely, it's unfair to expect all travellers to have access to a computer with internet access or a smartphone (won't someone think of the elderly!) but it would be nice to have the option to not have to worry about filling in that little card on the plane now that they have a framework to follow. I never have a pen handy!

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#2966632 13-Sep-2022 14:38

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David321:

Check out the absurdity of these questions, why on earth is time of departure relevant to obtaining permission to travel home when the date is also asked for? in what case would flights from one particular place be ok if you left in the morning, but not if you left in the afternoon?

I think it extremely weird the nitpicking going on here. It's a simple form.

You’re missing the point.

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#2966680 13-Sep-2022 14:41

eracode:
freitasm:

I think it extremely weird the nitpicking going on here. It's a simple form.

You’re missing the point.

That people will whinge at anything they are mildly inconvenienced by? I think that’s fairly obvious.

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#2966681 13-Sep-2022 14:47

Agree, This means you must have access to a computer or smart phone with internet access while overseas, take time out of your holiday to check your itinerary for flight details, load them all on to this form, submit it, wait for an email with your QR code. Hope like hell your phone is charged when you are at the airport so you can present your permission to travel home to the check out counter.

I cant believe some (abiet a minority) people do not see the problem with this, especially when there is absolutely no justifiable reason for it, look at the size of this thread since my original post, and yet not one post can provide a reason why this traveler pass is necessary.

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#2966688 13-Sep-2022 15:25

I think we're all in agreement that its not necessary but its there, and it take less time to complete it than whine about it.

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#2966711 13-Sep-2022 15:55

David321:

Agree, This means you must have access to a computer or smart phone with internet access while overseas, take time out of your holiday to check your itinerary for flight details, load them all on to this form, submit it, wait for an email with your QR code. Hope like hell your phone is charged when you are at the airport so you can present your permission to travel home to the check out counter.

I cant believe some (abiet a minority) people do not see the problem with this, especially when there is absolutely no justifiable reason for it, look at the size of this thread since my original post, and yet not one post can provide a reason why this traveler pass is necessary.

I did it before i have left....i return within the 21 days (I think it was)

If you can, do it before you leave, easy

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