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turnin: A swing activist aye. These dirty truth tellers, Next he'll be hiding out in the russian embassy.
The LP under Cunliffe seems to have been unprepared to "make the most" of Hager's allegations. I get the feeling ...
gzt: Hager friendly interview on tv3+1 now. I'd expect to hear more of his side of the story.
turnin:KiwiNZ: Hager is not a professional journalist, he is a political activist.
His stories involve politics and many have been critical of Labour members, so the left wing accusations are just that
I'm guessing you havent read the book
Important issues surround the use of leaked communications. First, everyone has the right to keep their communications private and there must be a very high public interest to justify publishing them. In this case, I believe most readers will agree that the materials raise very serious matters of political accountability, relating directly to the prime minister and other senior government ministers. They show a continuous collaboration between the prime minister’s office, bloggers and sympathetic media to arrange attacks on National’s opponents and to influence elections. This differs from the story and face presented by the National Party to the public and helps to explain much about what is wrong with contemporary politics. On the other hand, there was also a considerable amount of very personal information about relationships and other subjects, where the right to privacy outweighs any public interest. This material has not been included in the book and will not be passed to others. The fact that Slater and his associates have made a career of exposing the very private details of other people’s lives does not make it right to do that to them.
“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. Carl Sagan 1996
Glassboy:
Given that most of Hager's material has been disputed, if not completely disproved - for example the Rodney Hide "blackmail" - I don't think you can consider any of the emails\facebook chats "indisputable". There's also no verification that the "source material" is unaltered. Just as there is no verification that the hackers aren't politically motivated or aligned with a political party.
Dingbatt: I don''t believe there will be any court action. Hager is cleverer than that. I understand there is a fairly liberal use of "could" and "might" and "in my opinion" in the book which effectively makes it his opinion, which he is fully entitled to publish.
By way of an example consider the following;
I have found a 2 in close proximity to a 1. I am not certain if they are connected by an operand or not. So the result of these two numbers is anywhere from 0.5 to 21 depending how I care to connect them. So in my opinion the answer is 21 (which also happens to be half the answer to life, the universe and everything).
JimmyH: Secondly, he hasn't yet "proved" anything. All we have is his interpretation an portrayal of what a large number of emails allegedly say/show. I'm not aware that we, or any other political reporter, have had an opportunity to sight the emails in question or verify what he is saying. All we have is Hager's word that he has the emails claimed, that they are all genuine, and that an unbiased summation of them really does portray what he claims they portray.
BarTender:Dingbatt: I don''t believe there will be any court action. Hager is cleverer than that. I understand there is a fairly liberal use of "could" and "might" and "in my opinion" in the book which effectively makes it his opinion, which he is fully entitled to publish.
By way of an example consider the following;
I have found a 2 in close proximity to a 1. I am not certain if they are connected by an operand or not. So the result of these two numbers is anywhere from 0.5 to 21 depending how I care to connect them. So in my opinion the answer is 21 (which also happens to be half the answer to life, the universe and everything).
You obviously haven't read the book. Plenty of very bold statements that if incorrect would get you in hot water.
“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. Carl Sagan 1996
Dingbatt: Yep, and I am not going to read his book. I haven't read any of his previous ones. Can't stand the man or his politics. But I have tried to stay dispassionately neutral in this thread.
I did compose quite a long reply but in the end I can't be arsed. I'll stick to tech I think.
Dingbatt: I have found a 2 in close proximity to a 1. I am not certain if they are connected by an operand or not. So the result of these two numbers is anywhere from 0.5 to 21 depending how I care to connect them. So in my opinion the answer is 21 (which also happens to be half the answer to life, the universe and everything).
astrae: Reading the latest news about Labour being 'Hacked' is just painful to read and a joke....
If you aren't aware of the 'hacking', labour had their whole website open so you could browse every directory and download any file. Google even cached these files and databases so they are as guilty as everyone else for 'hacking'...
Here is the video Cameron Slater posted back in 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnOAeVaU5xM
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