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  Reply # 1110079 17-Aug-2014 20:04
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Winston Peters always has dirt. He's probably thinking why an I not the one to publish this book

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  Reply # 1110082 17-Aug-2014 20:07
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networkn:
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cyril7: Hi, I normally dont get drawn on political stuff, but honestly, it seems no one hacked anything, instead Labour whom seem asleep at the wheel left it hanging, knowingly or not, for anyone interested to have a butchers at. They have no one to blame except those IT staff responsible for their tech, and presumably any officers in control of those staff.

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So ya know you left your front door open.. had a good look around your house and took lots of photos before I left. Then I announced your fetish for master filters. That's all your fault and I don't need to take any responsibilities for my actions and consequential activities I did afterwards. I absolve all responsibility because you left your front door open.


And if he came out into the public arena complaining you had done so, he would be getting exactly as much sympathy as Labour is getting now (none from anyone with more than 3 brain cells), and about as much mocking for being so stupid. 



National hacking /entering into labours computer is absolutely nothing compared with the intent for which the data was used.
Just about every smear campaign you have heard in the last few years seems to have come through this channel.
OIA data hurried through, fed to slater in advance, smear campaign results, Govt denies any link.
As for Cactus Kate and Slater working to leak opponents address details to chinese businessmen who were known to physically harm people " chop chop", that's way way more than politics.
In a democratic country it is something that intelligent people should raise concerns otherwise we might as well be China or Russia.
Please explain where the stupidity comes in or do I have a different version of the book to you ?


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1110083 17-Aug-2014 20:11
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I had believed that people within positions of power should behave better than that. Sad you don't share that view.


Yes I agree, but this is politics, history is littered with underhanded crap that comes out at election time, watergate anyone

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Precisely. I completely agree Labour are no saints. But trying to look at this all objectively it does look pretty one sided barrage of attacks who Slater didn't like.
I think the Hager book has all the beginning hallmarks of watergate. I'm temped to put money on that the whole data hack will get dumped on a torrent and it will all come out.





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  Reply # 1110091 17-Aug-2014 20:13
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networkn:
BarTender:
cyril7: Hi, I normally dont get drawn on political stuff, but honestly, it seems no one hacked anything, instead Labour whom seem asleep at the wheel left it hanging, knowingly or not, for anyone interested to have a butchers at. They have no one to blame except those IT staff responsible for their tech, and presumably any officers in control of those staff.

Cyril


So ya know you left your front door open.. had a good look around your house and took lots of photos before I left. Then I announced your fetish for master filters. That's all your fault and I don't need to take any responsibilities for my actions and consequential activities I did afterwards. I absolve all responsibility because you left your front door open.


And if he came out into the public arena complaining you had done so, he would be getting exactly as much sympathy as Labour is getting now (none from anyone with more than 3 brain cells), and about as much mocking for being so stupid.


IANAL but I am fairly sure entering a persons house is still breaking and entering. Much like there are laws around unauthorised access of a computer. Yes Labour techs were complete muppets for their lax security. Certainly doesn't justify what WhaleOil did, nor does it excuse that one of the senior National staffers and their IT support were in on it too.

I had believed that people within positions of power should behave better than that. Sad you don't share that view.


I actually do, but I consider this matter background noise to the actual issues which face NZ and I intend to vote in line with my beliefs of what would make NZ better for everyone in the long term.

The situation isn't ideal, but I also believe not all the facts are in, nor do I believe they ever will be. It doesn't change much for me. 

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  Reply # 1110092 17-Aug-2014 20:15
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I had believed that people within positions of power should behave better than that. Sad you don't share that view.


Yes I agree, but this is politics, history is littered with underhanded crap that comes out at election time, watergate anyone

Cyril


Exactly. It's different day same nonsense and the facts aren't all present either.

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  Reply # 1110094 17-Aug-2014 20:17
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networkn:
BarTender:
cyril7: Hi, I normally dont get drawn on political stuff, but honestly, it seems no one hacked anything, instead Labour whom seem asleep at the wheel left it hanging, knowingly or not, for anyone interested to have a butchers at. They have no one to blame except those IT staff responsible for their tech, and presumably any officers in control of those staff.

Cyril


So ya know you left your front door open.. had a good look around your house and took lots of photos before I left. Then I announced your fetish for master filters. That's all your fault and I don't need to take any responsibilities for my actions and consequential activities I did afterwards. I absolve all responsibility because you left your front door open.


And if he came out into the public arena complaining you had done so, he would be getting exactly as much sympathy as Labour is getting now (none from anyone with more than 3 brain cells), and about as much mocking for being so stupid. 



National hacking /entering into labours computer is absolutely nothing compared with the intent for which the data was used.
Just about every smear campaign you have heard in the last few years seems to have come through this channel.
OIA data hurried through, fed to slater in advance, smear campaign results, Govt denies any link.
As for Cactus Kate and Slater working to leak opponents address details to chinese businessmen who were known to physically harm people " chop chop", that's way way more than politics.
In a democratic country it is something that intelligent people should raise concerns otherwise we might as well be China or Russia.
Please explain where the stupidity comes in or do I have a different version of the book to you ?



National don't really need to smear Labour, Labour seem intent on ensuring they aren't in power again (Thankfully) for a long time by simply opposing for the sake of it. They seem lost and confused and internally conflicted. Hardly who I consider reasonable to ru(i)n a country.

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  Reply # 1110096 17-Aug-2014 20:20
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networkn:
turnin:
networkn:
BarTender:
cyril7: Hi, I normally dont get drawn on political stuff, but honestly, it seems no one hacked anything, instead Labour whom seem asleep at the wheel left it hanging, knowingly or not, for anyone interested to have a butchers at. They have no one to blame except those IT staff responsible for their tech, and presumably any officers in control of those staff.

Cyril


So ya know you left your front door open.. had a good look around your house and took lots of photos before I left. Then I announced your fetish for master filters. That's all your fault and I don't need to take any responsibilities for my actions and consequential activities I did afterwards. I absolve all responsibility because you left your front door open.


And if he came out into the public arena complaining you had done so, he would be getting exactly as much sympathy as Labour is getting now (none from anyone with more than 3 brain cells), and about as much mocking for being so stupid. 



National hacking /entering into labours computer is absolutely nothing compared with the intent for which the data was used.
Just about every smear campaign you have heard in the last few years seems to have come through this channel.
OIA data hurried through, fed to slater in advance, smear campaign results, Govt denies any link.
As for Cactus Kate and Slater working to leak opponents address details to chinese businessmen who were known to physically harm people " chop chop", that's way way more than politics.
In a democratic country it is something that intelligent people should raise concerns otherwise we might as well be China or Russia.
Please explain where the stupidity comes in or do I have a different version of the book to you ?



National don't really need to smear Labour, Labour seem intent on ensuring they aren't in power again (Thankfully) for a long time by simply opposing for the sake of it. They seem lost and confused and internally conflicted. Hardly who I consider reasonable to ru(i)n a country.



This has little to do with one party having a go at another, it's about a huge amount of blackmail and a certain group who enable this, professionally.
have you actually read this book ? 

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  Reply # 1110097 17-Aug-2014 20:21
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NZ would be a better place if Dotcom left and took Slater and Hager with him




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  Reply # 1110105 17-Aug-2014 20:46
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i have to agree!

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  Reply # 1110106 17-Aug-2014 20:47
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I'm going to buy it and read it. 

Nicky Hager's past books have been well researched and supported by credible evidence. 

The people getting the sharp end of the subject (in this case, National) will be hoping few people actually read it....as (if past books are any guide) anyone who does actually read it will understand just how important and worthwhile Hager's work is. 

But I haven't read it yet. So can't comment any further. 




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  Reply # 1110107 17-Aug-2014 20:50
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Geektastic: 

Yawn. It's just politics and frankly I have no doubt all parties do all kinds of stuff. Hager isn't trustworthy enough for me not to double check if he told me it was raining.

Anything that keeps Labour out is justified in my view in any case.


You can't have actually read any of Hager's books. 

I'd trust Hager before I trusted John Key. (Key is the only politician with oversight of the GCSB and claims he has no idea what they are doing = incompetent or lying). 





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  Reply # 1110110 17-Aug-2014 20:51
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turnin:
networkn:
turnin:
networkn:
BarTender:
cyril7: Hi, I normally dont get drawn on political stuff, but honestly, it seems no one hacked anything, instead Labour whom seem asleep at the wheel left it hanging, knowingly or not, for anyone interested to have a butchers at. They have no one to blame except those IT staff responsible for their tech, and presumably any officers in control of those staff.

Cyril


So ya know you left your front door open.. had a good look around your house and took lots of photos before I left. Then I announced your fetish for master filters. That's all your fault and I don't need to take any responsibilities for my actions and consequential activities I did afterwards. I absolve all responsibility because you left your front door open.


And if he came out into the public arena complaining you had done so, he would be getting exactly as much sympathy as Labour is getting now (none from anyone with more than 3 brain cells), and about as much mocking for being so stupid. 



National hacking /entering into labours computer is absolutely nothing compared with the intent for which the data was used.
Just about every smear campaign you have heard in the last few years seems to have come through this channel.
OIA data hurried through, fed to slater in advance, smear campaign results, Govt denies any link.
As for Cactus Kate and Slater working to leak opponents address details to chinese businessmen who were known to physically harm people " chop chop", that's way way more than politics.
In a democratic country it is something that intelligent people should raise concerns otherwise we might as well be China or Russia.
Please explain where the stupidity comes in or do I have a different version of the book to you ?



National don't really need to smear Labour, Labour seem intent on ensuring they aren't in power again (Thankfully) for a long time by simply opposing for the sake of it. They seem lost and confused and internally conflicted. Hardly who I consider reasonable to ru(i)n a country.



This has little to do with one party having a go at another, it's about a huge amount of blackmail and a certain group who enable this, professionally.
have you actually read this book ? 


I can answer on his behalf - NO.

As I have mentioned earlier, this book is never about Labour vs National. In fact Labour is completely utterly clueless and couldn't/don't know how to take advantage of the book for their campaign.

It'll be interesting to see what will happen in the next few weeks.





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  Reply # 1110111 17-Aug-2014 20:52
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KiwiNZ: NZ would be a better place if Dotcom left and took Slater and Hager with him

They will need to take Collins, Ede and Lusk with them.
NZ will be a far worse place if it endorses intentional political smear campaigns and blackmail that involves peoples lives and to a far lesser extent jobs.
NZ would be better to investigate it's own democratic processes and have informed discussion rather than shoot the messenger.
Politics can be rough, we all get that, but politics that is so divisive that it detracts from the point of a democracy is far from OK.
and yep, I have read the book.

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networkn: National don't really need to smear Labour, Labour seem intent on ensuring they aren't in power again (Thankfully) for a long time by simply opposing for the sake of it. They seem lost and confused and internally conflicted. Hardly who I consider reasonable to ru(i)n a country.


To be honest I expected better from you, not sure why but I did.

If you have been living in a country where the national dialogue has been directed via a few vicious bloggers that then gets picked up main stream media then it's quite easy to believe exactly what you have said. However if you actually try and read what's going on across the political divide you would see there is a very clear negative narrative going on lead by Slater. Something I have seen well before the book came out, however the book does clear up the depths it goes to.

Education is the best weapon against ignorance. You of all people I would have thought would understand that. Sadly I am wrong.





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  Reply # 1110122 17-Aug-2014 21:09
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networkn: National don't really need to smear Labour, Labour seem intent on ensuring they aren't in power again (Thankfully) for a long time by simply opposing for the sake of it. They seem lost and confused and internally conflicted. Hardly who I consider reasonable to ru(i)n a country.


To be honest I expected better from you, not sure why but I did.

If you have been living in a country where the national dialogue has been directed via a few vicious bloggers that then gets picked up main stream media then it's quite easy to believe exactly what you have said. However if you actually try and read what's going on across the political divide you would see there is a very clear negative narrative going on lead by Slater. Something I have seen well before the book came out, however the book does clear up the depths it goes to.

Education is the best weapon against ignorance. You of all people I would have thought would understand that. Sadly I am wrong.


Me of all people? Do we know each other? 

My claims re Labour aren't based on what "a few bloggers" have reported, it's based on what is coming directly from Labour themselves. 

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