KiwiNZ:

DravidDavid:

KiwiNZ:

frankv:

KiwiNZ: Ignoring for a minute the whole the subject matter, what annoys me the most is our election result could well be decided by people that have zero interest in this country, it's people, it's welfare, it's future. They will do a lot of damage and move on when they are bored with their play thing.

Actually, I think that (a) our election result is becoming increasingly irrelevant. The people we elect have little power compared to the big corporates. They will move on when they have milked us dry.

Say what now

Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table by foreign bullies if the cheque has enough zeros on the end.  It's no surprise that the United States is a great example of this very practice.

examples?

ajobbins:  While KDC clearly has his own motives and agenda, that does not mean that any revelations that he has managed to produce are automatically invalid, as many people seem to be asserting. Take him out of the equation and think critically rather than writing all this (Same with Dirty Politics) off on technicalities.

I do have something to hide, I have a business and I communicate with my clients and we discuss ideas, business ideas, ideas that we don't want to end up in the hands of other people, especially competing companies.
Is that Ok ? Or should I shut my business down ?
I didn't know that dealing with another business meant I was doing something wrong. 
I'm staggered to hear that viewpoint from someone who works where you do, where there are thousands of businesses that pay your salary.

DravidDavid:

KiwiNZ:

DravidDavid:

KiwiNZ:

frankv:

KiwiNZ: Ignoring for a minute the whole the subject matter, what annoys me the most is our election result could well be decided by people that have zero interest in this country, it's people, it's welfare, it's future. They will do a lot of damage and move on when they are bored with their play thing.

Actually, I think that (a) our election result is becoming increasingly irrelevant. The people we elect have little power compared to the big corporates. They will move on when they have milked us dry.

Say what now

Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table by foreign bullies if the cheque has enough zeros on the end.  It's no surprise that the United States is a great example of this very practice.

examples?

A relevant example would be the three strikes law. 

We were bullied by the United States in to passing this law on different levels so to speak.  It was also funded by the United States government, hence my comment above.

JimmyC: 
I say 'supposedly' because no one freaking knows for sure. Some are happy to take him at his word, whilst others prefer to take JK at his word. That's the joy of democracy! People get to choose based on what they feel is right on the balance of a lack of any real evidence. 

KiwiNZ: 

So one piece of cooperative legislation to help resolve a real issue equates to "Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table" .... interesting

KiwiNZ:

DravidDavid:

KiwiNZ:

DravidDavid:

KiwiNZ:

frankv:

KiwiNZ: Ignoring for a minute the whole the subject matter, what annoys me the most is our election result could well be decided by people that have zero interest in this country, it's people, it's welfare, it's future. They will do a lot of damage and move on when they are bored with their play thing.

Actually, I think that (a) our election result is becoming increasingly irrelevant. The people we elect have little power compared to the big corporates. They will move on when they have milked us dry.

Say what now

Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table by foreign bullies if the cheque has enough zeros on the end.  It's no surprise that the United States is a great example of this very practice.

examples?

A relevant example would be the three strikes law. 

We were bullied by the United States in to passing this law on different levels so to speak.  It was also funded by the United States government, hence my comment above.

So one piece of cooperative legislation to help resolve a real issue equates to "Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table" .... interesting

DravidDavid:

KiwiNZ:

DravidDavid:

KiwiNZ:

DravidDavid:

KiwiNZ:

frankv:

KiwiNZ: Ignoring for a minute the whole the subject matter, what annoys me the most is our election result could well be decided by people that have zero interest in this country, it's people, it's welfare, it's future. They will do a lot of damage and move on when they are bored with their play thing.

Actually, I think that (a) our election result is becoming increasingly irrelevant. The people we elect have little power compared to the big corporates. They will move on when they have milked us dry.

Say what now

Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table by foreign bullies if the cheque has enough zeros on the end.  It's no surprise that the United States is a great example of this very practice.

examples?

A relevant example would be the three strikes law. 

We were bullied by the United States in to passing this law on different levels so to speak.  It was also funded by the United States government, hence my comment above.

So one piece of cooperative legislation to help resolve a real issue equates to "Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table" .... interesting

That was one relevant/recent example.  Anything else would of course, be off topic.  You should be fine though, Google does great with one liners.

He almost let too many secrets out. One way the NSA intercept communications is via internet cables, and another is ... "we'll leave it there". The NSA have facilities in Auckland, one in Northland ... and we better leave it there.

ajobbins: 

Anecdotal, but from what I am reading, John Key is the first of any political leader to attempt to deny Snowden's revelations.

As I said, being that Snowden has a proven track record of not being wrong, I feel his word has far more weight than John "Don't remember" Key (or his "Office"). My opinion of course.

BarTender: 

I can say it as many times as you want.... but you are choosing to ignore it. I AM NOT A POLITICAL PARTY SHILL FOR ANY PARTY.

JimmyC:

And if JK believes he's in the right, he should deny it irrespective of being the first or not. We were also the first to show the middle finger to the US and their nukes, so why not this if it's incorrect?  

A track record of not being wrong doesn't mean what he's done, or the way he's done it is in any way right. There are no reliable, credible sources in this entire sad ordeal.