testha:Technofreak: Can anyone remind me what credible evidence was given last night that showed mass surveillance has been carried out on New Zealand citizens by New Zealand agencies?
What moment of truth was there? None that I could see. Snowden, Greenwald etc may have evidence and may be correct in what they say, they haven't come up with the goods in this case though, not at least so far. It's all been innuendo.
I don't have a lot of faith in politicians, but in this case I tend to think what John Key has said is correct. He has more to lose by being found out to be wrong than Snowden and Greenwald do.
If you want credible evidence why dont you ask for more transparency from your government? After all they are the ones who should know exactly what is going on.
You miss my point.
Who was it that was going to drop a bombshell in their Moment of Truth? It has nothing to do with transparency of the lack of. KDC promised some earth shattering revelations, there were none. Just smoke and mirrors and innuendo which appeared to me just crude attempt to roll John Key.
Where was the credible evidence from those that promised it?
To comment on transparency.
I expect the government does know what's going on, however I don't expect them to tell it all to me or any other member of the public.
Like it or not the world situation isn't that much different to what it was during the Second World War or any other similar conflict. In fact I'd go as far to say it's worse today as some of the "enemy" are not so obvious. It's fact of life that some things the government are involved with are not always for public consumption. Just imagine if the allies had been more open about some of the developments and intelligence they had during WWII, do you think things might have turned out the way they did?
Sure there are things that should probably be more out in the open but by and large I think we have a pretty good balance between what is and what isn't in the public domain.